Tuesday, June 6, 2017

The Trademark Of The Jungle

The jungle trademark comes with much pride.  It says I know and I let. It is I who introduced first.   As we have seen in the De Plata Case, his arrival was first announced in the jungle blog before he appeared in the news media. Victims usually come out on their own volition when they feel comfortable.  However, in the jungle's case, someone usually announce their arrival with a trumpet.  

Roy Quintanilla was announced in the jungle before he made his public appearance. According to Tim Rohr:
It is now 11:48 AM, Tuesday, May 16. A Day that will live in INFAMY. Bring on that law suit you monster.
 Below is a screenshot of the comment above:




On May 17, 2016, Roy Quintanilla made his public appearance surrounded by his lawyer, David Lujan, the media, and family and friends.

Then on June 6, 2016, Tim Rohr told his followers to remember June 7th.  See the screenshot below:



On June 7th, Walter Denton went public surrounded by his lawyer, the media, and family and friends.  

The same thing happened to Roland Sondia.  He was introduced by the jungle before he made his public appearance. Tim Rohr told his readers to set their clocks to June 15th at 10:00 am.   See the screenshot below: 



On June 15, 2016, Roland Sondia came out in public surrounded by his lawyer, the media, and family and friends.  Victims of sexual abuse usually come out of their own volition when they feel comfortable.  But introducing the alleged victims in the jungle blog first is usually the jungle trademark. 

Interestingly enough, the same thing was done to the late Archbishop Felixberto C. Flores.  On May 25th, Tim Rohr stated in his blog (the bold is mine):
This was the plan from the beginning. This is why Adrian brought Pius and the neocats to Guam. David and Adrian knew of Tony Boy's history with boys. And just as Tony Boy used his predecessor's history to manipulate his own episcopal appointment, Adriana, with the aid of the filthy impostor, Putrid, had in mind the same.    
Where is the evidence that Monsignor David and Father Adrian knew about the Archbishop's past of sexual abuse?  Did anyone ask Rohr to produce the evidence?  The implication in this statement is that Archbishop Apuron also knew something about Archbishop Flores' past and used it to bribe Flores into making him the successor.  Again, where is the evidence?  Under that same thread, an anonymous poster asked Tim what did Archbishop Apuron know about Flores that allowed him to be the successor? Below is a screenshot of that dialogue:






As with every other priest who has been accused, I let the victims do it first.

What I placed in bold in the comment above became a published post, which you can see here.  There is that "I Let".  


To say, "I let the victims do it first," is very unsettling.  Why?  Because it means that the person has control of these alleged victims.  If he can LET these alleged victims do it first, then it also means that he can LET them not do it at all. Based on this screenshot above, we can now infer what Tim meant back in May 25th when he stated, "And just as Tony Boy used his predecessor's history to manipulate his own episcopal appointment,...."

38 comments:

  1. Are you afraid of the truth within the diocese? You seem desperate because there are so many lawsuits. Innocent people don't run away or even hide. True leaders face their flock. It's obvious there's just too many secrets within the archdiocese of agana. Should those secrets remain a secret or would you rather the truth be exposed.

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    1. Dear Anonymous at 9:46 am,

      Archbishop Apuron did not run away. You got that information from the jungle. On May 13, 2016, Archbishop Apuron already told the people that he was going to get a canonical trial. You can only get a canonical trial in Rome. He already told you the reason he left. It is up to you to either believe him or not.

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    2. Just like brother tony threatened to SUE the victims who accused him wayyyyy before he even left the island. Did you forget that? A TRUE Innocent leader should've given compassion or at least reached out or offered support to the victims rather than threaten them with lawsuits. Even Jesus never ran from the very people who persecuted Him. Instead Jesus offered prayers and asked for forgiveness for His flock because they knew not what they were doing.

      What I believe in is justice and truth wherever it may go. So really it doesn't matter how much you relive the past because the truth is already starting to come out.

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    3. Dear Anonymous at 12:04 pm,

      Archbishop Apuron's response of a lawsuit was in regards to the sex abuse ad put out by Rohr and CCOG. That was on May 13, 2016. Roy Quintanilla came out 4 days later after Rohr's introduction.

      As for Jesus, he left his persecutors who tried to stone Him (see John 8:59). Also, Christ did not ask anyone to forgive Him. Instead, He asked God to forgive his persecutors.

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    4. If you read, I said Jesus ASKED for forgiveness FOR his flock. Meaning He asked His Father's forgiveness for the sake of His flock who did not know what they were doing.

      Brother tony never once offered a single prayer for the victims but rather was selfish and only asked for prayers for himself. A TRUE innocent leader would've offered even a simple prayer to any victim within his FLOCK.

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    5. Dear Anonymous at 2:48 pm,

      Archbishop Apuron is not God. He is human like all of us. If someone accuses you of a crime you feel you have not done, what would your reaction be?

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    6. Id honestly face my accusers and I wouldn't run from them either. Are you trying to justify brother tony leaving after he threatened to SUE his accusers?

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    7. Dear Anonymous at 5:34 pm,

      He did not run away. In his press release, he already stated his intention. The Archbishop said that he will request a canonical tribunal and a civil trial. He left to ENFORCE his intentions. He was not threatening a lawsuit. He is already in the process of carrying out what he said in his press release.

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    8. To ENFORCE his intentions? What intentions was that? Do you have first hand knowledge of his thoughts or are you just trying to justify him abandoning his flock because the truth was finally being exposed?

      You know what? It doesn't even matter. The canonical trial is almost over and soon the truth will prevail. The archdiocese has been covered with a black mark because of the many hidden truths and the greed for power. It's a shame and yes, if the HOLY SPIRIT decides that the church needs to be torn down in order to rebuild it then so be it. I'm sure the church would come back even stronger while protecting itself from the evil it has been hiding within its walls. The truth will prevail.

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    9. Dear Anonymous at 9:12 pm,

      In the media release dated May 13, 2016, it stated:

      "After keeping silent for a long time, since those who are orchestrating this campaign are inducing people into scandal, confusion and grave errors with the malicious intent to injure the archbishop, the church in Guam and many other people have been insulted and harassed, the Archdiocese of Agana is in the process of taking canonical measures with the Sacra Rota - the competent canonical tribunal - and filing civil lawsuit against those perpetrating these malicious lies."

      The media release mentioned the canonical tribunal, which can only take place in Rome. This is the reason he left to Rome. His intention was to get a canonical trial going, which is happening right now. If found not guilty, the next step is to proceed with a civil lawsuit against his accusers.

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    10. Dear Anon @ 2:48 pm
      A canonical trial is the very definition of facing those who are accusing you. Being accused of sexual abuse is a very serious matter. So serious that even when cleared innocent people have a tendency to keep believing that the accused is guilty. Because it is considered such a heinous and public crime, and it is a defamation of character. Apuron did the correct and wise thing. He sought council, he fought those who he believes to be falsely accusing him and he sought the help of a 3rd NON PARTISAN party. The Catholic Church through a canonical trial. This is the very definition of facing your accusers. (A guilty person would not seek help from the Catholic Church or a trial he would disappear. form the face of the earth)

      Also you should read the bible. Christ always fights back with the truth. He turns over the tables at the temple. He constantly denounces the pharisees as liars and he calls them race of vipers. He constantly calls them hypocrites and makes them look foolish. When the pharisees try to defame him and say he has a demon inside he tells the the pharisees they worship their father the devil.

      It is only after all these efforts of speaking the truth, when the pharisees will not convert and have decided to remain in their sin and kill Christ, that Christ surrenders and allows them to kill him while at the same time asking his father to forgive their faults.

      So Apuron is definitely following in the footsteps of Christ and must fight against what he believes to be falsehoods until it is time for him (Apuron) to be a Martyr. Presuming he is innocent.
      Apuron believes that there is a plot against him by a large collective group of people with power and money. If this happens to be true, then facing that collective group and allowing them to have their way with him would only hurt him, the Catholic Church (as it is already doing), and many many faithful.
      So NO, Apuron is not running away, he is fighting the correct way. He is fighting the way you should fight against organized malicious intent. Malicious intent which is obvious by the way the jungle does not make allegations but condemns Apuron as if accusations where automatically and infallibly true and honest. Organized malicious intent made obvious by the relations between accusers, victims, Rohr, the Jungle, CCOG, lawyers, Snap the list goes on. Conflicts of interest shown between Rohr's Real-estate business and his relations to the Yona property, Seminary and his more than obvious hate towards the NCW. Even their involvement and strong presence of putting out the unconstitutional law lifting statutes of limitations. Allowing them to sue the Catholic Church not the individual for millions.(Coincidence? You be the judge)
      What is hilarious is that after all these FACTs (not ethereal ideas and accusations) they still claim to be fighting for justice and victims and people believe them.

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  2. Sexual abuse and molestation is a very serious matter. The way these alleged victims came out is suspicious. Why would they wait for a signal from Rohr to make their public appearance to the news media? This "I LET....." sounds like Rohr is in control rather than the victims.

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    1. And cuz Rohr is the one in charge of giving the signal, I have to wonder about these victims. Does Rohr hate Apuron enough to create fake victims just to get rid of him?

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    2. AB Apuron has been saying all along that he's innocent and that it's a planned conspiracy to bring him down. AB Apuron has a canon lawyer fighting on his side, and obviously someone in the Vatican is looking at Rohr's blog.

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    3. AT 10:29 AM you got that ''RIGHT''

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    4. Tin is all about himself>>>>Me, I, Myself, Tim,Junglewatch,Rohr, and Jungle nation, Rohr is always saying he did it all, all the hard word to get rid of the bishop? all he is doing is hurting the Church, God Church not his,how can the people listen to this Man

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    5. Actually it was brother tony who was all about himself when he never offered a single prayer to ANY victim in the church. Instead he only asked for his flock to pray for himself.

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  3. Diana I think Byrnes is hurrying up because he knows his time is almost up and he knows whose coming back the reason I'm saying it because he wants to sale the seminary badly because once he's back he is incontrol again and everybody that's in the chancery is bye bye

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    1. Dear God is one,

      Archbishop Byrnes is not the enemy. He is doing what he can to fund the Hope and Healing Program. The first step to healing is to provide counseling to victims of sexual abuse. However, certain measures should be put in place to ensure that scammers do not take advantage of the program. The program should specifically be for victims of child abuse who suffered at the hands of the clergy.

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    2. Dear God is one at 4:02 PM, I'm not sure why you think Archbishop Byrnes (1) "knows his time is almost up and he knows whose coming back" and (2) "wants to sale the seminary badly."

      First of all: Like it or not Archbishop Michael Byrnes is the COADJUTOR Archbishop which means his time is NOT "almost up." IF Apuron is removed as archbishop and made to spend the rest of his life in prayer and seclusion Archbishop Byrnes will no longer be "Coadjutor." He will be THE Archbishop of Guam.

      Second: You say that Archbishop Byrnes "want to sale the seminary badly."
      FYI: Archbishop Byrnes CANNOT SELL that property right now. If I remember there is some court process about a Quiet Title that keeps the Yona property from being sold right now. He will probably sell the Yona property once that court item is done.

      BTW: Aren't you the one who claimed that the jungle wanted the Archbishop to incardinate James Arriola in Guam? I think you need to rethink your comments because they really seem to be pretty messed up!

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    3. Hey Timmy don't like listening to the truth and plus your saying what if he is sent to silent prayers so your abandoning for archbishop to be laicized because now your saying silent prayers I pray that you don't go to hell but go to heaven to save your soul for what you and your followers ccog and lfm are doing to our beloved archbishop

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    4. Dear God is one,

      My apology to you. I simply do not see Archbishop Byrnes as the enemy. However, I am not surprise that Satan (The real enemy) seeks his downfall.

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  4. @ anon 2:51pm.... How do you know that Archbishop Anthony never offered prayers for alledged victims? Are you saying that he should do it publicly? Like you need to hear it....he is not praying to the people for you to know....
    He prays to God......
    And if he does it in front of public that it would make a difference...your minds are made up to kill his spirit....
    Shame on you......
    Continue on your path with a hardened heart.....

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  5. Diana you should listen to what pope Francis said during his homily of Pentecost because in his homily it sounds like he's in the way because what he preached is what we do in the way living the dayenu thanking god for what he has done for us and another part is of forgiveness of sins because like what we are taught in the way is were humans unlike what Byrnes says that were not sinners because we acknowledge our sins and find out who we are that were not god

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    1. Dear God is one,

      I have never heard Archbishop Byrnes say that.

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  6. Diana Bishop Kumbell in Uk is following Guam. Do you see how Church now reacts to how we set stage in Guam. We in our small Island make history. Bishop kumbell doing as Tim Rohr asked.

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    1. Dear Anonymous at 11:45 am,

      You stated: Bishop Kumbell is doing as Tim Rohr asked.

      Tim Rohr is not the Pope. And Bishop Kumbell never spoke to Tim Rohr. Who told you that misinformation?

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    2. Diana @ 12:11 PM, I think Anonymous @ 11:45 AM means Bishop Campbell (NOT "Kumbell" unless Anonymous wanted the Bishop's name to rhyme with Dumbbell) from Lancaster England.

      I saw this article in the jungle about how Bishop Campbell is putting restrictions on the NCW Liturgy. The article says that Campbell's norms follow those of Archbishop Byrnes. You can check it out there. Maybe Anonymous @ 11:45 AM read the article but was trying to be funny by changing the bishop's name.

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    3. Dear Anonymous at 12:26 pm,

      Thank you for the correction. I have NOT seen the article; therefore, I was unaware of the error in the bishops name.

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  7. re: God is one June 7, 2017 AND Diana "Celebrating Pentecost Vigil"
    Both missed some very relevant and important information from the Pope re "self-correction" for us all.

    Excerpts:
    "On Pentecost Sunday, Pope Francis said that DIVISION DOESN'T COME FROM THE HOLY SPIRIT, who forms the universal Church with both unity and diversity..."

    ".. he (Holy Spirit) gives and nurtures different CHARISMS and GRACES. And he does so in a way that “effects true union, according to God’s will, a union that is not uniformity, but unity in difference.”

    But there are two temptations we must avoid in order to receive these graces, he warned. One is the temptation to seek diversity WITHOUT UNITY, which is what happens when we take sides or get locked in our own way of doing things, perhaps even thinking that we are better than other people or always in the right.

    “When this happens, we choose the part over the whole, belonging to this or that group before belonging to the Church,” he said. “We become avid supporters for one side, rather than brothers and sisters in the one Spirit. We become Christians of the ‘right’ or the ‘left,’ before being on the side of Jesus.”

    "He explained that another common temptation people can fall into is the opposite: to seek unity without diversity. This makes unity into uniformity: “everyone has to do everything together and in the same way, always thinking alike.”

    This kind of unity takes away freedom, Francis said. “But, as Saint Paul says, ‘where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom’ (2 Cor 3:17).”....

    “So the prayer we make to the Holy Spirit is for the grace to receive his unity, a glance that, leaving personal preferences aside, embraces and loves his Church, our Church,” he continued.

    Making this prayer, then we can “accept responsibility for unity among all, to wipe out the gossip that sows the darnel of discord and the poison of envy, since to be men and women of the Church means being men and women of communion.”

    "We should also pray, he went on, “to ask for a heart that feels that the Church is our Mother and our home, an open and welcoming home where the manifold joy of the Holy Spirit is shared.”.........

    “This is how the word of God describes the working of the Spirit: first he rests on each and then brings all of them together in fellowship. To each he gives a gift, and then gathers them all into unity,” the Pope said.

    "Forgiveness is “the greatest love of all,” Pope Francis said, saying that it preserves unity and prevents collapse. It consolidates and strengthens.

    Embracing a spirit of forgiveness helps us to resolve problems with harmony, rejecting other ways, such as hasty judgment and criticism of others. Let us as ask for the grace to make Our Holy Mother Church more beautiful with a renewed spirit of forgiveness and self-correction, he said.

    Only after we do this, he explained, will we “be able to correct others in charity.”



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    1. Dear Anonymous at 6:35 am,

      Thank you for this excellent comment.

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  8. John 17:21
    New International Version
    that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.

    This is Jesus' wish - that all may be one. Both sides have a lot to do in regards to "self correction".

    Anyways, Pope Francis is calling the world to a minute of prayer for peace at 1 pm Rome time on Thursday June 8.

    Let us strive to be one, especially WITHIN the Catholic Church - so that we will have done our part in letting the world KNOW that the Father sent his Son. Peace.

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    1. Dear Anonymous at 2:43 pm,

      That is good and well, but we all have free will. I cannot force a person to stop hating the NCW and calling them Protestants. You can correct them with love, and you will see their reaction. In the meantime, we pray for our persecutors. This is how you will know who are His disciples. It is those who love all people especially their persecutors.

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    2. @Anon.2:43. It's true that we need self-correction. We're not perfect. We're not holy saints, but we are hoping to be one someday. For many of us walking in the Way, being holy is a long way off and a life long process.

      But Diana is right. We are the ones being persecuted. All you need to do is look at the comments in JW. Diana has never said that we should get rid of the TLM Catholics. We recognized them as our brothers and sisters even when they labeled us protestants.

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  9. What about persecuation Apuron did to our local priests?

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    1. Dear Anonymous at 8:52 pm,

      They were not persecuted.

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    2. Diana this all began because priests known and unknown were targets for Apurons priestly persecuation. Main reason priests turned against him.

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  10. Back then, Guam was a very close knit community. If archbishop Flores was a child molester, many people would have known about it. But there were no rumors of it. Then suddenly, we hear that he's a child molester today? Is the accuser connected to Tim Rohr? Must be since he admitted that he let this guy come out first.

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