AnonymousMarch 23, 2017 at 8:04 AM
what are you talking about. I decide what is Catholic what is not. Neo movement is not Catholic . It has no place in our church. Best to shut down ncw in Guam completely.
AnonymousMarch 22, 2017 at 9:06 AM
Well said Anon 12:12. Unless the NCW is officially excommunicated, they will succeed in their diabolic mission. Sadly, there is no official interest in stopping them. Perverse, neo-Marxist Rome couldn't care less what the wealthy heretics do as long as they get their cut of the cult's hefty pickings. On top of that, Francis has repeatedly condemned loyal Catholics as rigid ideologues, leaving Christian doctrine to flap in the wind.
AnonymousMarch 23, 2017 at 2:56 AM
Given the NCW's heretical catechesis on the Eucharist alone, there are more than adequate grounds to officially excommunicate it. What is Byrnes waiting for?!
Given the Neocats' demonic beliefs, there is no need for ordained Catholic priests because there are no sacrificial elements or transubstantiated Species in the Mass. No Mass = No Catholic Church! Precisely what Kiko wants!
Given the Neocats' demonic beliefs, there is no need for ordained Catholic priests because there are no sacrificial elements or transubstantiated Species in the Mass. No Mass = No Catholic Church! Precisely what Kiko wants!
Note the dates of these comments. They were said after Archbishop Byrnes' pastoral letter to bring unity to the flock.
After Archbishop Byrnes has given a new directive to the NCW, Tim Rohr went straight to the media and announced that he hopes Archbishop Byrnes will eventually expel the NCW from the Archdiocese and the parishes. Tim admitted in the Patti Arroyo talk show that he wants Archbishop Byrnes to eventually get rid of the NCW altogether. Does this sound like he wants unity? You can listen to that interview between Tim Rohr and Patti Arroyo in the following weblink:
As I mentioned previously, the problem was never in the liturgy. The problem is found in the human heart. Christ said that all manner of sin (hatred, envy, greed, lust, pride, etc.) comes out of the heart. And it is sin that separated mankind from God and causes division. Only the truth can bring unity because Christ is the truth.
Yes Christ is the truth and that is why guam needs to cleanse itself from all NCW. Their beliefs and idiologies have never aligned itself with being Catholic. Instead, the NCW has been USING the archdiocese AND its faithful to drain its finances through thievery and through deceit. Which CLEARLY is the work of the devil.
ReplyDeleteDear Anonymous at 10:03 am,
DeleteNormally, I would not publish such comments here. But I allowed it to further prove my point of what is in your heart. You were the one who supported a bill (now a law) that intends to take away all the assets of the Church.
Diane, you think that it was best for the church to hide the secrets? That bill was a bill that exposed all the dirty secrets the archdiocese has committed. I'm glad every victim has been coming out and yes, the Holy Spirit does work in mysterious ways. You may think that a bill which is now law is a bad idea but you are only thinking of the material things which will be sold in order to right such wrongs.
DeleteDear Anonymous at 1:47 pm,
DeleteAll the bill has done so far was bring out "allegations". That is all they are. A person is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
So if all the bill has done is being out allegations then why are you spreading that the church stands to lose its assets? If the establishment is so innocent as you claim it is, then what is there to worry about? Already brulliard has publicly admitted that he abused young children and yet the church did nothing but hide him. So again, is the establishment that innocent?
DeleteDear Anonymous at 8:47 pm,
DeleteIt was not the Church who hid Father Broullard. It was Archbishop Flores who did that. I believe in the One, HOLY, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.......who is innocent.
Archbishop flores was in charge of this diocese and so was brother tony yet both are the ones who hid the priests under them. As you have said before Diana, the archbishop is in charge of this diocese and for many years THIS diocese hid these pedophiles. So really the institution isn't as innocent as you claim it to be.
DeleteDear Anonymous at 10;16 pm,
DeleteOnly human beings are capable of sinning. An institution is not a human being. It is not even a person.
"One, HOLY, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.......who is innocent." obviously the Holy Spirit is innocent... That's a given but it's the institution which has been ran by flores and brother tony who hid the atrocities and stole the innocent children's lives that is being sued. Who cares about the material things? Even Rome is run by human beings but you've often said that brother tony is innocent yet even HE ran to hide rather than face his accusers. Even Jesus faced his accusers but didn't hand out CDs to promote himself like brother tony did.
DeleteDear Anonymous at 7:47 am,
DeleteThe One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church is NOT the Holy Spirit. The Church is the bride of Christ. She is a living organism, not a material thing.
I also never said that the Archbishop is innocent....period. I said he is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. I do not live in a tyrannical country.
As for the Romans, they crucified a person, not an institution.
Let's be clear that the "innocence or guilt" of Anthony Sablan Apuron WILL NEVER, EVER BE DETERMINED IN THE COURT OF LAW. No criminal charges can be brought against the man because the CRIMINAL Statute of Limitations has run out.
DeleteWhat will happen is that Anthony Sablan Apuron will either be found LIABLE or NOT LIABLE in a CIVIL lawsuit. (Think OJ Simpson who was found "Not Guilty" in the CRIMINAL trial and "Liable" in the CIVIL trial.)
Let's get that straight. It's not about the man being "innocent until proven guilty in a court of law" because it isn't going to happen. PERIOD.
Dear Anonymous at 10:53 am,
DeleteThe canonical trial was a criminal trial. It was through the canonical trial that the Vatican can find Archbishop Apuron guilty or not guilty of child molestation. But the alleged victims chose not to testify.
Were Jesus to visit Guam, where would He find love and forgiveness? Among the JW-ers, among the Neo-catechumenals, among Catholics belonging to neither of these groups? Oh, but He visits us every day, in every Mass; yet what does He find? What is the effect of His communing with us? Love and forgiveness, such weighty and all important matters of the heart?
ReplyDeleteDear Timothy,
DeleteTrue love and forgiveness comes from the grace of God. It is only with God that we can truly love our neighbor and those who persecute us. With man, it is impossible.
Dear Diana,
DeleteYou are right about love and forgiveness coming from the grace of God. According to Paul, "for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose" (Phil: 2:13). Forgiveness (i.e., "seven times seven") and love (i.e., the greatest commandments) belong to His good purpose. Christ is present to us in the Eucharist. But are loving and forgiving not meant to be the effects of receiving the Eucharist and Word at Mass? So, whether one is of the JW-ers, or one in the NCW, or one of the Catholics belonging to neither group, Christ in us is urging us to love and forgive. The question, however, remains: Have we been responding to His urging? Or have we been thwarting God's own purpose for us?
Dear Timothy,
DeleteYou ask good questions. God is present in all the Eucharist urging us to love and forgiveness, but only He knows how we respond as we receive His Body and Blood.
Christ said to leave your gift at the altar and reconcile with your neighbor. Reconciliation means more to Christ. After one reconciles with the neighbor can one then be truly be in communion with Christ at the altar and in the Eucharist.
Dear Timothy at 5:30 pm
DeleteThe effects of the receiving communion are also subject to the state of a person. God can not, better said will not go against a person's free will. In order to forgive one must first desire to forgive. If a person receives the Eucharist in a state where he hates another person and refuses to reconcile with this person, then the eucharist becomes a source of condemnation not of salvation and grace. This is why you can not take communion in mortal sin.
The reason for this is because you are becoming one with Christ and then forcing Christ to hate the other as you do. This is something that goes against his nature. The nature of Christ is to love the enemy and sinner, even when they are not repentant. "Be perfect like your father in heaven who makes the sun come out on the wicked and on the just".
Forgiveness is indeed a grace that depends on 2 factors to align. One factor is the willingness to reconcile and forgive. The second factor is the grace of God to execute such an impossible act. We must have the desire to forgive. I truly believe that many in the NCW do forgive everything that is happening. However this should not deter from the fact that one must still fight against the lies that are occurring. Lies that are damaging those who are far away from the church and who would otherwise be rebuilding their lives through the NCW.
Dear Anonymous,
DeleteYou state: "In order to forgive one must first desire to forgive." Let me tweak that a little. I desire coffee, but I will not to drink it. So too, with forgiveness. I think we will to forgive, overriding our desire for revenge, for non-forgiveness. Forgiveness is an act of the will which runs against the grain in us that encourages us to lick old wounds, and to become livid with memories of how we were hurt. Forgiveness says, willfully, "no" to non-forgiveness.
Note the Jungle claims Rome is neo-Marxist! Wow. Marxists are the communists! They are anti-religion and want to eliminate each and every faith from the face of the earth! How could anyone make such a sickly statement that Rome is neo-Marxist?!
ReplyDeleteHow bitter you have to be in your heart to say that?! How much hatred you have to have toward Rome, the Catholic Church and the Pope?! Wow! Wow and wow! The Jungle folks exhibit the opposite of true Lenten spirituality.
Diana, why did Father Pius stand with Guam priests in Colorado if David Atienza is head Catechist and Father Pius lives in Malta now? Some are confused.
ReplyDeleteDavid is not head Catechist. Where did you hear that he is?
DeleteDiana said before Father Pius is the Lead Catechist. Or am I wrong?
DeleteDear Anonymous at 4:10 pm and 4:20 pm,
DeleteThe jungle is the one spreading the false rumor that David is the head catechist. Father Pius is the head catechist in Guam.
Yet that love and forgiveness does not exist in a vacuum. It is in and thru us that forgiveness, healing and reconciliation can be realized.
ReplyDeleteWhat I find amusing is the lies Rohr expresses even on radio. Yet people blindly follow him. I pray to God with the bottom of my heart, and the sadness this brings me because of all the scandal and pain he is creating for those who just wish to practice their faith.
ReplyDeleteMark 9:42 - "And whosoever shall cause one of these little ones that believe on me to stumble, it were better for him if a great millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea."
God will make justice, because he will not forgive those who cause people to be scandalized and turn away from the Church.
I just don't understand how they can come up with these lies about thievery, when it was their intention from the get go to make a profit from the Yona property. It was they who saw it as hindrance when the Archbishop decided to make the property into a place to form Catholic priest. It was they who made it their life's purpose to destroy Archbishop Apuron and further their secret narrative. I just pray that God can blow the cover on those who are truly secretive in JW. There is a just God, and he will make justice on whomever is lying. The funny thing is that anyone from outside, who read jungle watch enough will see how many serious plot holes, irony, and contradictions there are in their false narrative. It is just sad that their are people who blindly refuse to self criticize. Specially when it a central Church teaching to remove the log in your eye before you attempt to remove the splinter in your brother's eye.
Diana,
ReplyDeleteDont be fooled by the jungle. I picked on to their scheme a long time ago but I just never got to pointing it out to others, here it goes.
As far as numbers are concerned, more so in regards to page views/visits, Tim writes with purpose. Its not exactly the purpose that seems obvious but rather its a technique that is referred to as SEO, SEARCH ENGINE OPTIMIZATION. To explain this lightly, it is a way of digital/internet writing using specific words/phrases so that your writing has a higher chance of showing up on search engines.
So it makes you wonder of those so called page views, How many were actually interested in what the blog contained?
A classic scenario, lets say a person is interested in the jungles of Guam, the trees and vegetation. All he needs to do is type "jungle guam" in lets say, google search. Guess what is going to show as a top result? JUNGLEWATCH!
Sorry I went off your OP but just wanted to share some of the tricks of blogging.
Pas!
-Jokers Wild
Jokers Wild
DeleteI'm familiar with SEO. I've worked in the past and currently do freelance work providing web development and SEO for some companies. What you say is completely true. Although the most important thing in SEO is original content. Diana should be fine with her content. In fact her webpage will probably do better because her content matches most keywords, and is original.
This means people arriving at this website are actually reading what they come to read. Maybe a few things could be changed. Like an actual domain name referring to NCW in Guam etc.
On the other hand if JW is getting hits for jungles of guam search queries, they will eventually get penalized by search engines which is very hard to come back from. (We can only hope). Specially since the content does not match what people are searching for.
As long as Diana keeps writing original content relevant to the titles and urls of the pages she should be pretty good. She could add keywords etc. But more likely then not blogspot already does that in the back-end.
SEO, gosh... This guy would do literally anything to boost his visibility. Tim Rohr wanna be filthy rich on the back of the gullible who read his trash and believe his mantra. Extremely boring!
DeleteLet catholics believe in what they want Diana. Agree Catholics make own choices what they accept dont accept. church today is buy one take one throw out other. Its more about freedom today of choice.
ReplyDeleteDear Anon @ 6:23 am
DeleteCatholics can believe whatever they want. It does not mean that what they believe in is Catholic. It only means the the Catholic Church out of love and mercy for the weak, will not interfere or moralize people. It will only pray that an earnest desire to find Christ will lead these people towards the truth, and the error of their beliefs. The Catholic Church beliefs in GOD. It believes God can bring people towards the truth.
NCW is Catholic 6:23am.
ReplyDeleteTake time to study before commenting.
The main point.
ReplyDeleteIs there is no love.
Who loves their enemy?
Do you lobe your enemy are you another
Christmas? C Hurst is not the monolithic church he is the people the living stones. "Who ever hates there brother lives in darkness." We all know those who live in darkness do not have the holy spirit. So you hate a charism of the church. You hate Christ you say bishops are wrong and pope Francis is wrong. You hate Christ. We're the only ones who are right in the church. You have no love.
Love one another as I have loved
You. To the point of death.
So who loves? Do u love?