They've taken the hits, but now they're fighting back. In a press release, the Archdiocese of Agana wants to set the record straight - that the last three years of allegations and protests against the local Catholic church have been mere attacks to undermine the authority of Archbishop Anthony Apuron. Enough is enough this from the Archdiocese of Agana which issued a press release stating they're preparing to file a civil lawsuit against those who have spread malicious lies concerning the local Catholic church. We've seen it unfold over the last three years: concerns about transparency, concerns about the ownership of the Redemptoris Mater Seminary in Yona, and most recently, allegations that Archbishop Apuron has a history of molestation dating back 40 years.
According to the release, "For the past three years the Catholic Church in Guam has been constantly targeted by a series of lies destined to undermine the authority of the archbishop. In order to help the people understand the defamatory nature of these attacks, let us review the series of intentional and malicious lies that have been spread by the media." One by one, the release debunks the allegations and contends the Archdiocese of Agana remains the sole owner of the RMS as supported by the title deed of property, which was made public.
As for transparency, the release states Archbishop Apruon is available to the people - as seen almost every night celebrating in different parishes, visiting schools, and celebrations on Sundays.
The release alleges that the attacks on the archbishop are a result of his stance against abortion, casino gambling, legalization of marijuana, and same-sex marriage. "It is clear that his efforts displeased many people whose interests are not for the common good of Guam, but for their own personal interests. Whoever joins in this attack against our Catholic faith, our Catholic Church, is neither Catholic nor Christian; this kind of malice lacks the spirit of Jesus Christ. After keeping silent for a long time, since those who are orchestrating this campaign are inducing people into scandal, confusion and grave errors with the malicious intent to injure the archbishop, the church in Guam and many other people have been insulted and harassed, the Archdiocese of Agana is in the process of taking canonical measures with the Sacra Rota - the competent canonical tribunal - and filing civil lawsuit against those perpetrating these malicious lies."
Bring on the canonical and legal action I say. Enough is enough. The full truth should be heard.
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ReplyDeleteBring it on waiting to be sued
Dear Anonymous at 1:28 am,
DeleteIf you want to be sued, can you use your real name so it can be on the list?
Yes anon, use your real name. Please.
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Delete1;28pm. Come here say " bring it on waiting to be sued" say that to my face i will box your ears.
Give us your name you will be included in class one action legal suit.
@10:46 BRING IT ON WAITING TO BE SUED. I think you're all talk about boxing my ears.
DeleteDear Anonymous at 9:54 am,
DeleteIf you really believe that, then can you provide your full name please?
Truth. What is truth? John 18:37, Jesus said "...I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone who belongs to the truth listens to my voice.” Do the jungle, lfm and ccog belong to the truth? They spew accusations against the Archbishop and the NCW. They say "bring it on!" Well then, jungle, lfm and ccog, bring it on! Bring on the documents, witnesses and other evidence to substantiate your accusations. You ask for documents regarding ownership of the RMS land and building. Certificate of title presented to the public. You claim the NCW is not Catholic. From Pope Paul VI to Pope Francis, each have praised and blessed NCW's post-baptismal itinerary, evangelization and vocations to the priesthood and religious life. What are the fruits of the jungle, lfm and ccog? Negativity upon negativity upon negativity. Has the jungle, lfm and ccog consulted their clergy friends about the ramifications of their actions? Are they really ready to face the truth? How many lives must be destroyed because of their deeds? Heed the words of Matthew chapter 24.
ReplyDeleteThat's good. Let's all go to court and settle this.
ReplyDeleteRIGHT ON, RIGHT ON, RIGHT ON, it's about time that TIM he's getting away with a lot all that trash talking if it was someone else they would have Sue a long time ago
ReplyDeleteWoop!!! About time!!!!!
ReplyDeleteDoubt it. Another bully tactic. John Toves was threatened but no action and this is similar--all hot air.
ReplyDeleteDear Anonymous at 8:48 am,
DeleteNot this time. This time, the jungle went too far. Tim's poster that was paid by CCOG with thousands of dollars with the specific dates and locations was a direct attack on the Archbishop. All the things that Father Edivaldo listed on the press release are the charges they will be facing in court. The Archbishop is fully aware that the jungle, LFM, and CCOG will not stop because their main goal is NOT justice. Their main goal is to remove him and to destroy the Church.
Anon 8:48 AM. You so blind, wake up and smell the coffee! the Archbishop.is being merciful and a father.
DeleteI agree with 9:12 am. This action from archbishop is called "tough love". After 3 years, if the stray sheep refuse to listen, then it's time to discipline the stray sheep. When a father disciplines his child, it's because he loves the child. That's what Fr. Edivaldo always say in his homily.
DeleteIt was Edivaldo who identified the Archbishop not CCOG. There were other priest in those parishes but it was Edivaldo who first mentioned the Archbishop. It is very clear, the Chancery is the one throwing the Archbishop under the bus. Last I looked, protesting is not against the law..
DeleteI think you guys just fell right into the plan. First thing will be Archbishop, Adrian, VG, Jackie, Pius, Elavaldo, etc. and maybe you too will be deposed with any questions.
DeleteMerciful would be to reach out and talk to them. That is what a real father would do...that is what my father did.
DeleteDear A only opus at 10:29 am,
DeleteProtesting is not against the law, but defamation is. According to some of those signs the protestors are holding, they are telling the Archbishop to restore the RMS property. Therefore, that means that they are calling him a liar because he already said that the property was never given away. Being called a lair is a defamation of character.
Dear Anonymous at 10:40 am,
DeleteHe already did that so many times. Even the Gennarinis came out to the media to ensure everyone that he does not own the property, and he was still called a liar.
Dear Anonymous at 10:38 am,
DeleteOn the contrary, YOUR plan was to remove the Archbishop. Going through a lawsuit will determine who is telling the truth. And all the evidence is on the Archbishop's side. And going through canonical measures will probably get you excommunicated.
DeleteWhat about the priests Archbishop destroyed. Where is their Justice? You cant't have selective justice Diana. What about others injutly treated by Apuron? Apuron strated this fight. A fight now going to rip apart the soul of Agana Guam.
ReplyDeleteAgree Diana Jungle folk gone to far this time with their insults lies cheating.
Let's all donate to Archbishop Anthony to bring a legal end to the insults published against him.
These insults defame his character that is grounds for taking them to court. Outraged Br.Robert salt light community.
ReplyDeleteAre readers aware of the cost of those PDN ads. A full page ad is costly. Money could have been used for poor not dividing Archdiocese.
We need to support Archbishop Apuron to fund legal case against those who cause this scandal through gossip.
Who will pay legal fees of Archbishops suit? His community?
ReplyDeleteDear Anonymous at 1:24 pm,
DeleteThose named in the lawsuit will be the ones to pay. When they lose, they will pay for all damages including attorney fees.
I already offered to pay retainer fee to Archbishops lawyer's.
DeleteI suggest others donate direct to him once case filed.
Tim Rohr is the political face.
DeleteCCOG LFM silent no more.
All activist groups.
Something much deeper going on.
Possibly root cause of these attacks is organized from within the priesthood.
In other words war between bishop priests played out in background. Internal conflict Diana. Information being leaked now can only come from a priest. Internal situation that Archbishop should have healed years ago.
ReplyDeleteIts only $250 a page PDN.
What are you talking about.
Issue is defamation of character in a newspaper not the ad cost.
At the same time ad does not name a person. So its very fluid what ad means.
However, i think Archbishop's legal council should take affirmative action.
Enough is enough. Ad is an attack on character of our spiritual leader. We cannot stand by watch our own blood attacked in this manner.
I believe more than 250.
DeleteWill call PDN to ask.
Beyond my comprehension that the ad against Archbishop Anthony is re published today. I mean who pays for this? It is beyond a joke now. I find it very disturbing what catholic groups are now doing.
ReplyDeleteI believe all these fractions should meet with the Archbishop and bring an end to this behavior which is now dividing our church even more.
It must stop and Archbishop Anthony as Spiritual Leader must begin a nations healing.
It is against the law that PDN publishes paid advertisement without saying so! There is no any indication whatsoever that it is a paid advertisement or who paid for it! This is deceiving the readers by creating an impression that PDN identifies with the content of this advertisement. Was this the intention?
DeleteTherefore, PDN is fully liable for the content of this advertisement and for deceiving the public at court!
Dear Anon 1245am
DeleteThe division is coming from the promoters of that ad.
Their definition of healing is YOU MUST RESIGN!
Since the get-go they have as asked for answers to explain the actions of the church on Guam. Every single time they have been given, they have gotten a response but it did not satisfy.
They are only following what they are learning from their leaders.
I want to remind you that in one incident and in true reconciliation the archbishop met with Father Paul and apologized for his statements. Now what happened afterwards is what is important. Father Paul then said, I WANT IT IN WRITING!
You see this is exactly what tone has been set. Its this notion that yes lets reconcile but on our terms and conditions.
Personally, I was very troubled by the jungle blog and the other critics in the beginning but I soon realized that they are just a bunch of narcissists. They will always complain, they will never be satisfied and they are always right. I dont pay attention to them anymore.
Now what is bothering is that in their plight to take over the local church, they have recruited innocent elders and young people who are being told that the Bishop and NCW are here to replace the Catholic Church. In their gullibility they have been suckered to believe that is true.
Soon this will be all over because there people who are lifting their prayers to heaven and God will indeed remove the abomination.
Happy Pentecost!
Pas!
-Jokers Wild
Dear Joker Wild
DeleteArchbishop should have given a written apology to Fr.Paul as Fr.Paul requested.
This would have built a path for the peace process.
Archbishops lack of humility only added gas to the fire.
Archbishop's weakness us simply he lacks humility.
JW thinks that the archbishop is bluffing. They're saying this is a bully tactic similar to John Toves. Apuron never took him to court.
ReplyDeleteDear Anonymous at 8:52 am,
DeleteThey are in for a very rude awakening. The word is getting around in the NCW communities that the Archbishop is seriously pursuing a lawsuit and canonical measures. I say...."FINALLY." Someone under this thread pointed out that in his homily, Father Edivaldo usually say that loving parents always disciplines their children.
After three years, I believe it is time for Mother Church to discipline her unruly children in order for them to walk right and fly straight.
Unruly children what are you talking about this time. I believe our children are the children of the future. They should be free as undisciplined as society allows. This allows their creativity to mature.
DeleteI never believed in discipling children diana. I want children of the world to be free undjsciplined to allow them to fly.
Regarding need discipline children of the chuech i say. Let the creative mind of our children run free. Do not disciple any person give them freedom to express the inner man. The inner universe of man. To disciple kills the human spirit kills freedom.
Diana children need to be free. No laws regulations total freedom to do as they wish. This will make Godly people.
Discipline is not good diana. We want creative freedom to do whatever we want. No law no regulations. Total freedom body mind soirit.
Delete11.44pm. What kind of a person are you? Are you a catholic?
Those priests you speak of should have just obeyed. Period.
ReplyDeleteActually, where are they with all this? They get on the media and then they disappear? Or are they secretly running this thing?
Regardless, a priest vows to obey his bishop.
C'mon, they were literally moved to another parish and that startled people? They are a priest for the people, not for a particular parish.
DeleteA priest does not vow to follow an immoral bishop. Sorry get your ecclesiology right before you comment.
DeleteFr. PAUL UNJUSTLY REMOVED FROM HIS PARISH. MONSIGNOR JAMES UNJUSTLY REMOVED. FILIPINO PRIESTS WERE INSULTED SENT BACK TO PI DAMAGED BY APURON. HIS INJUSTICE TO PRIEST.HE IS A PRIEST BASHER. SO I GUESS THIS IS WHY PEOPLE BASHING APURON.
Dear Anonymous at 9:54 pm,
DeleteThere is nothing immoral about removing Father Paul from the Dededo parish or Monsignor James from the Cathedral.
The mantra of the jungle is wearing off. It became an exaggerated whining about the same futile and nonsensical things over and over again.
DeleteTHE EVIDENCE IS IN FAVOR OF THE ARCHBISHOP.
ReplyDeleteMy opinion is the Archbishop moved those priest to save them from themselves... too bad if they don't see it that way... I personally think the Archbishop is taking the lashing out for those priest out of Love....
ReplyDeleteToo bad also for those who continue the bad intensions that is leading to canonical measures....
Its not to late for repriations which the Mother Church with its leaders and the message of love and the baptismal promise the shepard announces. The love of Jesus Christ has for us sent through the Holy Spirit poured out this day of Pentacost.....
Its not too late while we are still alive.... tomorrow is not guaranteed...
Canonical measures not important not to be taken seriously. Canon law not important in Guam situatiin.
DeleteSuing these group is not suffice enough but EXCOMMUNICATING is much fitting. They might as well built their own Church like the protestant church.
ReplyDeleteUmmmm ok so who would be on that list? I'd like to see the names to see if I agree with this drastic step.
DeleteThey know who they are. If I was a Bishop I would shutdown parishes for those who disobey and ripped their faculties.
DeleteThose inciteing anger know who they are. God will punish them if they do not repent of their sins.
DeleteOnce Archbishop Apuron files lawsuit you may well find several lawsuits will be filed against him for various reasons. This is a potential minefield which is dangerous for the catholic church on Guam. Concerns of catholics who are not JW or NCW have been passed to Archbishop Krebs.
ReplyDeleteCCOG is paying money to criminals to incriminate innocent persons. These are professional liars. They go after the Archbishop. We see Rohr's alzie club to prepare the most vulnerable among them to make dubious claims. Retired elderly make it their hobby and their favorite pastime to create egregious scandals just for the fun of it to destroy holiness in the Church. They are hired tongues, paid agents of the ancient liar who was a murderer from the beginning.
DeleteCCOG has over 50K mney on their account. There is accounting for or auditing of their sources. Now they have a filed day, a feast on this money. They spend it all on their pervert desires. This squandering of money is simply disgusting. One must be a retard to enjoy it. Who will end up in prison if not those who break the law? Who are those who spend all funds they have raised on paying criminals? Who will do their murderous hatchet job?
You will see the heavens crying and fire engulfing the earth from above, because these people call themselves Catholics in their uncleanliness and claim to be the followers of our Lord Jesus Christ in their abomination.
Please read and meditate on Matthew 18
ReplyDeleteIt deals with the children of God, and woe to those who cause these children to sin, and mercy.
This is just an observation, viewing the mayhem that is happening in Guam, from elsewhere.
Rohr's early-day blogs NEVER sounded like they do now. That being said, I wonder IF the NCW founders and backers would have obeyed the Popes, and not "mislead" one million members, especially in regards to their man-designed Mass, all this ruckus about the seminary, etc. would have happened? All this would be a non-issue - no mud-slinging, no lies, no lawsuits, etc. So, according to Matthew 18, according to God, is Rohr, whose intentions were just to correct the NCW, even culpable in the NCW's accusations? And, if Rohr is not culpable, who is? God, through Matthew is saying "Woe to those who CAUSE these children of God to sin."
God, through the Popes, generously forgave the "NCW's founders and backers" for the many years of lies/errors/mistakes in their teachings/directions before their Statutes were finally corrected and approved in 2008. In this Year of Mercy, we are called to be Merciful Like the Father. Merciful like the lord who forgave his servant's debt (in Matthew 18).
We are ALL called to do the same.
When we look at our own sins, we will not be so quick to judge others. We are to take the plank out of our own eyes before we try to get the sliver out of another's.
May our Church be ONE.
There it is Diana. Tim admitted he is behind everything and is calling out AA bluff. In fact, started a counter. I doubt anything will go to court.
ReplyDeleteDear Anonymous at 6:41 am,
DeleteI believe that it will go to court. I guess time will tell.
DeleteBring it on Diana. I'm waiting to see who is named in lawsuit.
May we have a listing of names to be included in your lawsuit.
Dear Anonymous at 9:02 pm,
DeleteI am not bringing any lawsuit. The Archbishop is the one bringing the lawsuit.
I pray for Excommunication for all these people..I agree suing is not enough.
ReplyDeleteYes jw folk should be reported to Roman authorties which will lead to their excommunication. They already excommunicated themselves by placing ad in PDN.
DeleteWe had an awesome Pentecost celebration this weekend, the Spirit came alive in Chalan Pago. We have to pray for those who cannot rejoice in the same Spirit that is the Spirit of truth.
ReplyDeleteThose who grumble, plot and want to do harm to our Church from inside keep spreading hearsay, gossip and superstition in an intellectually dishonest way. Junglewatch is in crisis. Nobody is paying attention to their incoherent rambling anymore. So they turn on the volume in their vanity.
No true joy, no lasting satisfaction is coming without the Spirit. Those who don't understand this, will despise the Spirit and cruelly sin against Him. We who trust in His coming, who celebrate Him among us at His outpouring on the the day of Pentecost, we know that you cannot have mercy without the humbleness of your heart.
Come, Holy Spirit, come
Let thy bright beams arise,
Dispel the darkness from our minds,
And open all our eyes.
Revive our drooping faith,
Our doubts and fears remove,
And kindle in our breasts the flame
Of everlasting Love. Amen!
Hi Zoltan can you explain what you mean by superstition? Thank you.
DeleteSuperstition is what people with inadequate intellectual background believe and spread to infect others. There are many superstitions about the Neocatechumenal Way. Like:
Delete-- NCW is a cult,
-- NCW is not Catholic,
-- NCW can be driven out of the island,
-- presbyters in the NCW are not consecrated priests,
-- the bread we eat is not the Body of Christ,
-- the wine we drink is not the precious Blood of Christ,
-- the sacrament of Eucharist in the NCW is not valid,
-- the Eucharistic celebration of the NCW is illicit,
-- etc.
These are all superstitions that have no basis at all. These superstitions are spread by our adversaries who cannot imagine a Catholic church in renewal and cannot accept anything new in the world.
Just go to the Junglewatch blog and you'll see many examples of maliciously spread superstitions about our communities. We have to and will refute all of these malice. Then, it is up to the intellectual background of our adversaries if they are able to overcome their superstitions or not.
It is only possible with true humility in the heart through the Holy Spirit who guides us and leads us with his everlasting holy wisdom. We'll pray that they be open to the true wisdom of God.
Yep, when a plumber thinks he is smarter than the last five popes. lol.
DeleteDear Zoltan, the way to dispel superstition is with evidence. SO when you say "We have to and will refute all of these malice", I agree.
DeleteThe first thing then, is to show that when the NCW conduct the Mass, that it follows exactly the prescriptions of the liturgical books, as is stated in the Statutes, and has been reinforced by the popes on a number of occasions. When the Vatican replied to Kiko's letter last year, it stated that the pope affirms that the regulatory charter of the NCW liturgy is found in articles 12 and 13 of the Statutes.
So , now, to dispel any superstitions, please show clearly where the Statutes permit the NCW to sit down to consume communion; to consume communion simultaneously with the priest, and that the priest himself sits down to do so. That would be a start. Please do so.
If you can't show this from your Statutes, then you would have to admit that the allegations regarding the NCW Eucharist that you mentioned above, are not simply superstition, but rather have good foundation.
You seem like a reasonable person, and you value rational thought and intelligence, which is great. Please don't respond with some other train of thought, but simply answer the concern I have raised. Thank you.
You do not have concern, Anonymous. You make malicious charges that are utterly unreasonable. You see evidence where there is none! You claim validity to statements that have none! That is why no reasonable person should respond to you.
DeleteThe train of thought you exhibit is driving you into an irredeemable wreck, away from the living Spirit of our Lord. Sorry, we cannot care about you superstitions that are yours to deal with. Superstitions are not fought by reason. They are fought by rejection.
Therefore, prayer is due for the mercy of God so that He helps you to overcome your superstitions and heal your mind.
ReplyDeleteSituation out of order Diana.
Archdiocesan media release is inciteing anger in the Archdiocese.
Archdiocesan media release is inciting anger in the Archdiocese!!! Anonymous May 16 says. Anger in whom? Not in me definitely....
DeleteIt is not Diana inciting anger.
DeleteIt is JW folk inciting anger in our community.
Archdiocese better be prepared for Pandora's box if this thing goes to court....Vatican will not be pleased!
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ReplyDeleteWho placed this ad in PDN?
Archbishop Apuron should ask to meet with the advertizer to find out exactly what is the meaning.
No person in their right mind would place an ad like this for three days.
Dear Anonymous at 9:28 pm,
DeleteThe ad belongs to Tim Rohr. It was his idea to place it in the PDN, and he had CCOG pay for the ad.
Fail to understand how Tim Rohr gave ad to PDN and had CCOG pay for it.
Delete
DeleteWhy does Archbishop not meet with Tim Rohr to find a path to healing.
Dear Anonymous at 12:01 and 12:02 am,
DeleteTim Rohr already believes that whatever the Archbishop says is a lie. He has been saying that for the last three years. Tim welcomes the lawsuit. Therefore, the Archbishop will give him what he wants.
From what I understand, the money that CCOG collected was supposed to go to hiring a lawyer for suing the Archbishop. Rather, they chose to use a part of that money to pay for an ad that clearly targets the Archbishop. This is clearly a witch hunt. By paying for this ad, they got themselves involved.
ReplyDeleteSituation requires conflict management.
Tony Apuron never had leadership skills to bring an end to conflict.
Problem is built up conflict over the years leading to disunity of the church.
Dear Anonymous at 7:22 am,
DeleteConflict can be resolve if both sides listen and want to work out the conflict. The jungle, CCOG, and LFM never wanted to listen. They wanted the conflict resolve their way. There was no compromise with them. For three years, the Archdiocese have been saying that the RMS property belongs to the Archbishop, but the jungle, CCOG, and LFM still have not been able to get passed that. Since they disagree, a lawsuit would settle that problem, and there you have unity. Once the judge rules in favor of the Archbishop, the jungle, CCOG, and LFM have no choice but to concede defeat.
ReplyDeleteJW folk now warning Governor potential Governors of danger of being pictured with Archbishop. Unfortunate when political Government becomes involved in church affairs. In this case church is now influencing political make up of Guam. Not a good situation at all.
Please Please Please let this legal action go through in its entirety... so tired of this fighting...
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