The following comment was made by Niinja2 on June 2nd at 8:02 pm. with some modification. The full comment can be found here. My comments are in red.
Original sin weakens our nature that we become susceptible to sin. The fear of death is NOT a sin. Fearing death is a natural emotion. There is no sin in feeling a fear of death. Even Jesus feared the suffering that he was to undergo and the death he was to have that he asked His Father to take the cup from Him. It makes no sense to compare sin to something that is NOT a sin.
Furthermore, I never said that we should not fear death because we are creatures of spirit. I said that as Christians we do not need to fear death because Christ conquered death thereby giving us access to eternal life in Heaven.
It does not matter if you felt forced or not, you recognized my arguments as forcing something but when catechists threaten someone with fear or loss then that someone is not forced he is suddenly free...
What you say here does not make any sense. When the Catechist tell you that it is more important that you attend the Eucharist rather than a music concert...that is not a threat. He is telling you the truth. How anyone can compare the importance of the Eucharist to a music concert is beyond me.
However, if you choose the music concert, that is your choice. And the choices we make do have consequences. And when I say that the choices we make has consequences.....that is not a threat nor a manipulation. It is the truth. For every good choice we make, there is a consequence, and for every negative choice we make, there is also a consequence. If you do not believe me, try robbing a store and see what the consequences is for robbing a store.
And since i am not talking to "some people" i am talking to you, you said this because YOU are these "people" and YOU FELT FORCED and now you play this word games to evade the fact that influence of others can put pressure on people just to DENY THAT MANIPULATION HAPPENS ON NCW.
I mean you are trying to deny that the sky is blue.
Nowhere in my comments did I ever say that I felt forced. I specifically stated that YOU are trying to FORCE others to accept your views and only your views. Apparently, you must feel some deep frustration in the NCW, but I do not think it has to do with the catechists. I think your frustration was because you were unable to get the catechists or others in your community to accept your views and only your views.
You are also trying to deny the simple historical fact that people enslaved one another and that slaves existed. Or could you explain what exactly enslaved black people?
"People do not enslave us. It has always been the Devil who is the enemy and who enslave us"
The devil that worked through white slave owners?
Oh it was not the people that enslaved others, no no people are always free to do what they want no matter the pressure from outside or chains on their hands because Jesus set us free...
Niinja2, suffering occurs in this world because of sin. There are wars in this world because of sin. The fact that some men chose to go to war, to enslave, and to kill is the result of man's free will. I have showed you in the Catechism that man is endowed with free will. Man is also endowed with intellect and reason to determine what is right and wrong. Furthermore, the choices (whether good or bad) always have consequences and affects other people around us. This is why St. Paul says in the Holy Bible that if one member of the Church hurts, then the whole body hurts.
And yes, it is Satan who tempts man to sin just as he tempted Jesus in the desert. People are free to choose their path in life even when faced with temptation. The Church teaches us to persevere in those times of temptation. Temptation is the pressure outside, but man is still capable of resisting those temptations especially through prayer or calling on God to help them.
"None of those are slaves because Christ died for our sins and conquered death."
You just denied the history of slavery on earth! Tell me what color is the color of sky, no really? You not sure its green? I think its blue, oh i'm sorry i am forcing my beliefs onto you.
You read my words, but you did not understand. Do you believe that Christ died for our sins and conquered death? Do you believe that Christ has freed us from the slavery of sin or not? According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
CCC 421 Christians believe that "the world has been established and kept in being by the Creator's love; has fallen into slavery to sin but has been set free by Christ, crucified and risen to break the power of the evil one. . ." (GS 2 § 2).
In the NCW, we focus more on God and heavenly things rather than on earthly things. And when you focus on God and heavenly things, then one finds true peace and happiness on earth despite the earthly wars, trials, and frustrations. All the saints understood what "heaven on earth" means.
Yeah it must be me...
" You simply do not understand my answer or do not like them, which is the reason you persist in argument"
I persist in an argument that is factually and historically correct.
When someone tells you something about you, it helps to listen because many times, others can objectively see things about you than you cannot. You look at facts and history. You are more like the Apostle Thomas who needs to see with his own eyes rather than believe what his brothers tell him.
Oh my ,i have seen the light, you have convinced me. Now just tell me how is something that did not helped me in 6 years supposed to help me now? How much time should i waste listening to the same things and why exactly?
What will happen if i don't?
Niinja2, I am NOT telling you to join the Way. Your catechists recommended that you start from the beginning. The only reason he told you that is because if you did not understand the first time, you might understand the second time or third time. When I watch the same movie three times, I am amazed to find things in the movie that I did not pick up the first time I saw it.
When you first joined the Way, what were you expecting to happen? What exactly did you expect the Way to do for you?