"They live in a world without cell phones or personal computers" Yep
"No Roman Catholic seminary is a resort" You mean ex-resorts, worth millions? And what of the Domus Galilaeae - the choice resort in the Holy land?
"Catholic priests who are faithful to church teaching and authority" Ha ha
"The Way, an international movement largely run by Catholic lay people, is controversial; some critics say it is separatist and causes division in parishes, though its defenders deny it." Well, at least that's true.
"since the movement is premised on the belief that Catholics stop their religious education at an early age and need more"
Yes, even if it is not the case. If you're not in the NCW you fall into that category apparently
I apologize for my off topic post. But I just found out the Dr. Eusebio's father's funeral is this SATURDAY in the Barrigada church. I emphasize Saturday because I was under the impression that Barrigada no longer permits funerals on Saturdays...at least I know of at least 4 different families that were told that when they wanted to schedule their loved one's funeral on a Saturday (and not just in Barrigada). I mean no disrespect to Mr. Eusebio, may he rest in peace, but don't you think that's showing double standard? Do you have to be Neo to have a funeral on a Saturday in Barrigada and other churches with a Neo pastor??
That's a really good question, Anon 6/10 @ 9:28 PM. My cousin was told that her husband could not have his funeral on a Saturday at the Barrigada church. When the priest was told that another priest who was not from Barrigada would be saying the Mass, the funeral was permitted.
Could the fact that Dr. Ric Eusebio is one of the higher ups in the NCW be the reason that Mr. Eusebio's funeral is being permitted on Saturday? If that is the reason, I agree that there seems to be a double standard and that NCW members and family get preferential treatment.
What is even more interesting is that your question (6/10 @ 9:28 PM) was not answered while another one (6/10 @ 9:49 PM) was. I wonder if your question will ever be answered. Or even if my agreement will be published.
I am not from the Barrigada parish; therefore, I cannot respond to your question. Only someone from the Barrigada parish can answer your question. I do know that in my parish, Saturdays are open to funerals.
Diana @ 8:41 PM, please don't be mad but I guess the reason that Anonymous @ 2:39 PM asked about Mr Eusebio's funeral (and was followed up by 2:38 PM and 2:48 PM) is because you are providing AN INSIDER'S VIEW about the NCW in your blog.
You also seem to know things that others don't. In your Back to 1970s post you were able to tell us that "What Tim Rohr does not know is that all priests got the same letter as Father Mike. The Archbishop has called a meeting for all the clergy ( NOT just Father Mike) to discuss incentives to raise the AAApeal. The Archbishop also sent letters to parishes who are doing well with the AAAppeal so they can learn what they are doing that makes them successful."
Since you knew about what the archbishop did, we thought that we could turn to you to get the INSIDER'S VIEW about things like Mr. Eusebio's funeral. We thought you would be able to find out for us.
I am not angry. I am not from the parish of Barrigada and was hoping that a parishioner there would be able to tell you more. I know about what is going on in my parish and I do know that in our parish funeral services are held on Saturdays. It simply depends on who signs up first.
Nevertheless, I did find an Obituary in the PDN of a funeral service held on a Saturday for a person (Rosita Aguon) who is not walking in the Way. According to PDN:
Last respects may be paid on Saturday, October 11, 2014, at San Vicente/San Roke Church in Barrigada. -
By the way, in the jungle Tim Rohr claimed to have known all along that the same letters were sent to all the priests, but failed to mention that until AFTER it was brought to his attention that I knew about it. Wasn't anyone curious enough to ask Tim Rohr why he made it look like it was ONLY Father Mike who received the letter from the Archbishop?
Dear Diana at 9:55 a.m. How would you know that the deceased Rosita Aguon did not walk in the way if you claim you're not from that parish? In addition, that obituary was from Oct 2014. The new rule regarding no Saturday funerals at Barrigada was implemented after that.
Diana @9:55 -- That was 8 months ago! Last month my uncle and auntie were not even given a reason when they wanted to bury their son---just that they couldn't schedule it for a Sat. Parishioners say it's because that's the day the Neos have their services and need to prepare.
That does not make any sense. The Eucharist starts at 7:30 pm and only takes an hour to prepare. The funeral is usually over at noon or 2:00 pm at the latest. Please do not spread false rumors.
Hi Diana, In the cities where there is an RMS, the seminarians take their classes at another seminary with non-neo seminarians. They get their Neo formation at RMS. the problem on Guam is that RMS is doing both. As a former educator at both the secondary level and junior college level teaching literature and writing, I am curious to see a list of the RMS Guam faculty. Is such a list available? Also, I would love to see the RMS library. Can the public visit the RMS library? Thank you, Eleanor Aguon
I have visited their library at the RMS during a tour. I believe it was during their Christmas concert. At any rate their library has more that 10,000 books, and they have a card catalog. I do not know if the RMS library is open to the public, but they have arranged tours of RMS in the past. I would call in advance before visiting the library.
Thank you, Diana. I will call and see about getting a tour of the library. What a wonderful resource RMS has with that many volumes in their library! Eleanor Aguon
Diana, does the NCW teach that Judas Iscariot is saved? Does the NCW believe that a Judas Iscariot is necessary.
Although Jesus certainly foreknew Judas would betray him[2], Judas had free will. He was not created or predestined by God to sin, but rather, chose that path himself. The Council of Trent, which Kiko has been known to berate, taught:
“If anyone shall say that the grace of justification is attained by those only who are predestined unto life, but that all others, who are called, are called indeed, but do not receive grace, as if they are by divine power predestined to evil: let him be anathema.”[3]
The Doctrine of the Necessary Judas has a sectarian purpose. It allows Kiko’s followers to tag the label of “Judas” upon anyone who criticizes “the Way”, and to do so quickly with out thinking, and without discernment.
Diana, all we want is TRANSPARANCY. Tim says that the Navy pays Apuron $27,000 per year for Fr. Tom's services at the Navy hospital. Each chaplain is supposed to getting about $10,800 per year. Yet, Apuron is asking for $73,300 for 2 chaplains.
First of all, did you ever ask Tim how he came up with the $27,000 per year from the Navy? Did you ask him to show you the documents proving that the Achdiocese is actually getting $27,000 per year from the Navy for one chaplain? $27,000 per year for one chaplain would amount to $2,250 per month. Where is the evidence showing this?
According to a 1775 law, each base chaplain gets $20 per month. That amount has not increased that I know of. According to the weblink below:
"The Resolution of July 29, 1775, as adopted by the Continental Congress, established the legal foundations for the subsequent Corps of Chaplains. Chaplains were accorded captain's pay, i.e., $20 per month, albeit without designation as to military rank or grade".
Oh, thankyou for the laugh Diana:
ReplyDelete"They live in a world without cell phones or personal computers" Yep
"No Roman Catholic seminary is a resort" You mean ex-resorts, worth millions? And what of the Domus Galilaeae - the choice resort in the Holy land?
"Catholic priests who are faithful to church teaching and authority" Ha ha
"The Way, an international movement largely run by Catholic lay people, is controversial; some critics say it is separatist and causes division in parishes, though its defenders deny it." Well, at least that's true.
"since the movement is premised on the belief that Catholics stop their religious education at an early age and need more"
Yes, even if it is not the case. If you're not in the NCW you fall into that category apparently
Dear Anonymous at 11:09 am,
DeleteYou missed the whole point of the article. It is not the building because everyone is entitled to a shelter. It is what they do.
The RMS is a "new experiment".
DeleteI apologize for my off topic post. But I just found out the Dr. Eusebio's father's funeral is this SATURDAY in the Barrigada church. I emphasize Saturday because I was under the impression that Barrigada no longer permits funerals on Saturdays...at least I know of at least 4 different families that were told that when they wanted to schedule their loved one's funeral on a Saturday (and not just in Barrigada). I mean no disrespect to Mr. Eusebio, may he rest in peace, but don't you think that's showing double standard? Do you have to be Neo to have a funeral on a Saturday in Barrigada and other churches with a Neo pastor??
ReplyDeleteDiana so will you respond to anonymous @ 9:28? I too would like to know. But also no disrespect & may he rest in peace.
DeleteThat's a really good question, Anon 6/10 @ 9:28 PM. My cousin was told that her husband could not have his funeral on a Saturday at the Barrigada church. When the priest was told that another priest who was not from Barrigada would be saying the Mass, the funeral was permitted.
DeleteCould the fact that Dr. Ric Eusebio is one of the higher ups in the NCW be the reason that Mr. Eusebio's funeral is being permitted on Saturday? If that is the reason, I agree that there seems to be a double standard and that NCW members and family get preferential treatment.
What is even more interesting is that your question (6/10 @ 9:28 PM) was not answered while another one (6/10 @ 9:49 PM) was. I wonder if your question will ever be answered. Or even if my agreement will be published.
Dear Anonymous at 2:48 pm and 2:39 pm,
DeleteI am not from the Barrigada parish; therefore, I cannot respond to your question. Only someone from the Barrigada parish can answer your question. I do know that in my parish, Saturdays are open to funerals.
Diana @ 8:41 PM, please don't be mad but I guess the reason that Anonymous @ 2:39 PM asked about Mr Eusebio's funeral (and was followed up by 2:38 PM and 2:48 PM) is because you are providing AN INSIDER'S VIEW about the NCW in your blog.
DeleteYou also seem to know things that others don't. In your Back to 1970s post you were able to tell us that
"What Tim Rohr does not know is that all priests got the same letter as Father Mike. The Archbishop has called a meeting for all the clergy ( NOT just Father Mike) to discuss incentives to raise the AAApeal. The Archbishop also sent letters to parishes who are doing well with the AAAppeal so they can learn what they are doing that makes them successful."
Since you knew about what the archbishop did, we thought that we could turn to you to get the INSIDER'S VIEW about things like Mr. Eusebio's funeral. We thought you would be able to find out for us.
Dear Anonymous at 9:34 am,
DeleteI am not angry. I am not from the parish of Barrigada and was hoping that a parishioner there would be able to tell you more. I know about what is going on in my parish and I do know that in our parish funeral services are held on Saturdays. It simply depends on who signs up first.
Nevertheless, I did find an Obituary in the PDN of a funeral service held on a Saturday for a person (Rosita Aguon) who is not walking in the Way. According to PDN:
Last respects may be paid on Saturday, October 11, 2014, at San Vicente/San Roke Church in Barrigada. -
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/guampdn/obituary.aspx?pid=172720060
Perhaps, you need to ask those families who were turned down the reasons WHY they were turned down.
By the way, in the jungle Tim Rohr claimed to have known all along that the same letters were sent to all the priests, but failed to mention that until AFTER it was brought to his attention that I knew about it. Wasn't anyone curious enough to ask Tim Rohr why he made it look like it was ONLY Father Mike who received the letter from the Archbishop?
DeleteDear Diana at 9:55 a.m. How would you know that the deceased Rosita Aguon did not walk in the way if you claim you're not from that parish? In addition, that obituary was from Oct 2014. The new rule regarding no Saturday funerals at Barrigada was implemented after that.
DeleteDiana @9:55 -- That was 8 months ago! Last month my uncle and auntie were not even given a reason when they wanted to bury their son---just that they couldn't schedule it for a Sat. Parishioners say it's because that's the day the Neos have their services and need to prepare.
DeleteDear Anonymous at 8:34 pm,
DeleteThat does not make any sense. The Eucharist starts at 7:30 pm and only takes an hour to prepare. The funeral is usually over at noon or 2:00 pm at the latest. Please do not spread false rumors.
Hi Diana,
ReplyDeleteIn the cities where there is an RMS, the seminarians take their classes at another seminary with non-neo seminarians. They get their Neo formation at RMS. the problem on Guam is that RMS is doing both. As a former educator at both the secondary level and junior college level teaching literature and writing, I am curious to see a list of the RMS Guam faculty. Is such a list available? Also, I would love to see the RMS library. Can the public visit the RMS library?
Thank you,
Eleanor Aguon
Dear Eleanor,
DeleteI have visited their library at the RMS during a tour. I believe it was during their Christmas concert. At any rate their library has more that 10,000 books, and they have a card catalog. I do not know if the RMS library is open to the public, but they have arranged tours of RMS in the past. I would call in advance before visiting the library.
Thank you, Diana. I will call and see about getting a tour of the library. What a wonderful resource RMS has with that many volumes in their library!
DeleteEleanor Aguon
This article refers to NCW as a movement. I thought this was not correct.
ReplyDeleteDiana, does the NCW teach that Judas Iscariot is saved? Does the NCW believe that a Judas Iscariot is necessary.
ReplyDeleteAlthough Jesus certainly foreknew Judas would betray him[2], Judas had free will. He was not created or predestined by God to sin, but rather, chose that path himself. The Council of Trent, which Kiko has been known to berate, taught:
“If anyone shall say that the grace of justification is attained by those only who are predestined unto life, but that all others, who are called, are called indeed, but do not receive grace, as if they are by divine power predestined to evil: let him be anathema.”[3]
The Doctrine of the Necessary Judas has a sectarian purpose. It allows Kiko’s followers to tag the label of “Judas” upon anyone who criticizes “the Way”, and to do so quickly with out thinking, and without discernment.
http://thoughtfulcatholic.com/?page_id=44155
Dear Anonymous at 9:12 pm,
DeleteSee my response in the weblink below:
http://neocatechemunal.blogspot.com/2015/06/judas-iscariot-according-to-ncw.html
Diana, all we want is TRANSPARANCY. Tim says that the Navy pays Apuron $27,000 per year for Fr. Tom's services at the Navy hospital. Each chaplain is supposed to getting about $10,800 per year. Yet, Apuron is asking for $73,300 for 2 chaplains.
ReplyDeleteDear Anonymous at 6:44 am,
DeleteFirst of all, did you ever ask Tim how he came up with the $27,000 per year from the Navy? Did you ask him to show you the documents proving that the Achdiocese is actually getting $27,000 per year from the Navy for one chaplain? $27,000 per year for one chaplain would amount to $2,250 per month. Where is the evidence showing this?
According to a 1775 law, each base chaplain gets $20 per month. That amount has not increased that I know of. According to the weblink below:
"The Resolution of July 29, 1775, as adopted by the Continental Congress, established the legal foundations for the subsequent Corps of Chaplains. Chaplains were accorded captain's pay, i.e., $20 per month, albeit without designation as to military rank or grade".
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&ved=0CD4QFjAGahUKEwimrqm_wYjGAhWKpIgKHYpbCok&url=http%3A%2F%2Famulrev.org%2Fpdfs%2F14%2F14-1%2FHerrmann.pdf&ei=xfN5Vea3JorJogSKt6nICA&usg=AFQjCNFg8zX5yVN0RrACM6L7ibCiQw1TKA&sig2=4y_G0SCghoLTVDLiJS7aYg
Tim Rohr cited a stipend of $900 per month, but there are also other costs to consider such as health insurance.
Diana, pure genius.
DeleteWho can humanly live on $10,000 a year?
Delete