"If you're scared of someone, you run from them. If you cower down from them it's because you did something. If you haven't done anything wrong, then stand your ground, you don't run away."How many times have we heard this from the jungle? I am even surprised he said this. Why question his uncle for not staying on island to face his accusers? News report have NEVER said that Archbishop Apuron ran away. They have always reported that he was in a canonical trial in Rome. The only one that has ever accused Archbishop Apuron of running away and hiding was the jungle. See the screenshot below:
Even when he was located in California, KUAM never accused him of running away and hiding. It was actually David Lujan (the lawyer whom Tim Rohr obtained for the alleged victims) who told KUAM:
"Well, let me ask you this...is it flight or hiding out, isn't that a sign of guilt? That's what I think you know," he said.Now that Apuron has been located, Lujan suspects the people of Guam and Apuron's victims have been duped into believing there's a canonical trial ongoing in Rome. Lujan represents all 15 victims who have surfaced to date, many of whom have accused Apuron of child molestation decades ago."Because we found him in California, we do not believe there is any such thing as canonical trial going on in Rome," said Lujan.
Well, today, we now know that there was a canonical trial. Therefore, he was not running away and hiding out as David Lujan suspected. Afterwards, David Lujan and Tim Rohr stopped saying there was no canonical trial. Nevertheless, it is interesting to note that Mark Apuron made a similar remark about his uncle running away and hiding.
However, the statement I found more interesting is when Mark Apuron stated that Archbishop Apuron was "untouchable." Archbishop Apuron never said that no one can touch him. There is only one person who have always stated that Archbishop Apuron is "untouchable".......Tim Rohr, and the evidence is found in his blog. Before Mark Apuron came out, Tim was the only person who always said that Archbishop Apuron was untouchable. The Guam Daily Post quoted Mark Apuron:
On January 12, 2015 (two years before Mark Apuron came out), Tim Rohr made the following comments in his blog:"I believed he was the powerful, untouchable uncle."– Mark Mafnas Apuron
Below is a screenshot of that statement:Archbishop Apuron has always appeared to be untouchable, even by Rome.
Then in June 17, 2016, Tim Rohr wrote the following in his blog:
Apuron knew that his horrible past had to be known. But he counted on the same "no one will believe you" he used on those boys to keep adults quiet as well. So long as his evil acts remained only whispered, he could continue to prance and flutter about, pretending to be the pope of Guam, singing "No one can touch me, No one can touch me. Nah, nah nah, nah, nah, etc.!Below is a screenshot of the above statement. As you can see, it had always been Rohr who claimed that Archbishop Apuron was untouchable. He was the first and only one who made that claim. Such coincidence isn't it?
Mark Apuron claimed he was raped by Archbishop Apuron in 1990. Well, DNA already existed at that time. The evidence would be the semen sample obtained during his rape. Instead, the Guam Daily Post reported (the bold is mine):
"He asked, 'What are you doing?'" Mark Apuron said. He said he froze, afraid of what trouble he was in, when his uncle allegedly pulled down his pants and pushed him onto the vanity. The teen thought he was going to get a whipping for smoking and drinking but instead, he said, his uncle raped him. He managed to shove the older relative off and get away, and stayed with his parents until they were ready to leave.So, after he was allegedly raped by his uncle, he simply stayed with his parents until they were ready to leave. After experiencing the trauma of rape, his parents did not notice anything different about him?
Diana, the problem is that this person is close relative. How does it matter what single word he is using? He is telling a story.
ReplyDeleteDear Grow up in faith,
DeleteJokers Wild reported that Rohr's daughter called him a liar. Daughter against father. Nephew against uncle. There are also inconsistencies between the testimonies of Doris Concepcion and her son, who was estranged from her for a while.
These are still allegations. Nevertheless, his timing is wrong and even suspect. If Mark Apuron wanted justice, he would have spoken when Cardinal Burke was here. The verdict of the canonical trial of Archbishop Apuron is already in. They're only waiting on the signatures. It appears that someone is afraid of the verdict being made public.
Diana, it is about the story that was published in the newspaper and nothing else. A close relative told his story. Do you think the story is not true because of what Jokers Wild reported about Rohr's daughter? Well..., how on earth are these two things related to each other? I don't really get it. Could you help me with explaining what you mean, dear Diana?
DeleteDiana, the verdict won't be known until the civil lawsuits end. Vatican cannot afford to disregard civil jurisdiction. So we have to wait a little more until the Vatican tribunal's verdict in the Archdiocese of Agana case will be made public.
DeleteDear Anonymous at 2:07 pm,
DeleteThe civil lawsuits are separate from the canonical trial.
Dear Grow up in faith,
DeleteIf the Archbishop was guilty, Rome would call him in for a canonical trial. He would not want to face Rome. But that never happen. It was the Archbishop who went to Rome requesting for a canonical trial.
It is also not just the word "untouchable". Mark Apuron said, "I thought I was the only one". All the others said the same thing....word for word. Do alleged victims refrain from coming out because "they thought they were the only ones"? All the reasons are exactly the same. That is just too much of a coincidence.
Victims do not come out because they are afraid.
Diana, this situation reminds me of the #metoo cases in Hollywood. More and more people keep coming out with abuse charges because they see others doing the same. Your questions are all relevant. The answers will be coming from the court, I guess.
DeleteI don't see your point about the canonical trial. You say "If the Archbishop was guilty, Rome would call him in for a canonical trial." Now? Hasn't it been completed already?
Dear Grow up in faith,
DeleteI am saying that a guilty person would not want to face Rome or a canonical trial. When Roy Quintanilla came out, the Archbishop went immediately to Rome to request a canonical trial. He did not stay and wait for Rome to call him into trial.
The canonical trial is already finished. However, this new accusation was brought up to the Vatican, so I do not know what Rome is going to do or how it affects the already completed canonical trial.
Diana, how to come back from here?
ReplyDeleteSo, on the basis of this word "untouchable" - a word that you personally think is inauthentic - you are prepared to cast aspersions on this man and his claims?
ReplyDeleteThat seems rather harsh and very presumptive. You never really stop judging others, do you? And you don't seem to mind if these judgements are based on untruth, hearsay, or prejudice - like this one: "Jokers Wild reported that Rohr's daughter called him a liar"
Grotty, mean, holier-than-thou, from an anonymous third party, and without any prospect of finding out the truth.
Not only that - even if it were true, its none of your business, and it may have already been resolved.
In the case of Mark Apuron, I think it would be best to assume that you don't know, and to keep your opinions as to whether these claims are true to yourself at least for now.
Well said!,,,thank you for doing so
DeleteDear The Watcher,
DeleteOur justice system is based on the accused being innocent until proven guilty while the accuser's accusations are called "allegations". You may not like it, but our democracy is based on that kind of system.
Hello Diana,
DeleteIm sure Roy Moore would agree with you on this,, if what you say is true where is his justice?
Is he being treated unfairly?..perhaps even persecuted? Looking foward to that response
Dear Patrick Dillard,
DeleteExpressing your opinion of a news report is not persecution.
Persecution was when CCOG demanded that Monsignor David be removed from the Chancery because he walks in the Way.....and then he was removed.
Diana,
DeleteWhere do you stand in regards to the regards to the accusations against Roy Moore?
Are the people who believe his (alleged) victims persecuting him for expressing that belief?
Dear Patrick Dillard,
DeleteI am not familiar with his case. Our society go by innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. On the other hand, if the person have admitted guilt as Father Brouillard did, then he is guilty by admission.
The rule of law in a democratic society may appear cold and imperfect, but it is better than that of the totalitarian state where freedom of expression is suppressed.
Diana,
DeleteHaven't heard of him?...guess it could be argued you have expected the reader to believe more with less.
In your responses above you espouse 'innocent until proven guilty' a tenet of our AMERICAN system of justice(we just happen to be a democracy....kinda like anyway) but fail to recognize the most fundemental realization of AMERICAN justice is; as defined in our nations charter,bill of rights, and all subsequent amendents;what is FAIR... With all your OPINIONS; on the accusations that you have published on your blog; is a scenario where what is FAIR is stripped(no pun intended) from the accusers. And just so that it doesn't ger overlooked, 'innocent till proven guilty' is born from the concept of what is FAIR.
I know the above fact may make you uncomfortable but let me paraphrase some advice that you kindly just reminded me of:
'The rule of law in a democratic society may appear cold and imperfect, but it is better than that of the totalitarian state where freedom of expression is suppressed.'
-Diana
'You may not like it, but our democracy is based on that kind of system'
-Diana
Peace out Diana
BTW it is not persecution on the part of CCOG in regards to Monsignor David. They believe that he is a CRIMINAL and is therefore unfit to hold any position within the church. The link below provides just some of the evidence they cite to add veracity to their claim(s).
http://www.junglewatch.info/p/certificate-of-title-fiasco.html?m=1
What is presented certainly calls into question the actions of Monsignor David. But, if as you claim that CCOG is mistaken AND would like to enjoy real credibility then answer the charges head on,not with misdirection, obfuscation OR explanations of 'Archbishop Apuron(sede plena) never gave away RMS' and 'Archbishop Byrnes proved we are right by his actions in regards to RMS' in which no (real) evidence is provided and the reader is recquired to go on your word (please see 1st paragragh above).
Dear Patrick,
DeleteMonsignor David, a criminal??? Was Monsignor David found guilty in a court of law???? Since when did CCOG become the judge and jury??? This is why we live in a democracy. The rule of law keeps vigilante groups like CCOG out. Their treatment of him is persecution since he was removed from his position. Monsignor David is not a criminal according to civil law and the American justice system.
The Bill of Rights are the first 10 Amendments of the U.S. Constitution. If you look closely at the Bill of Rights, Amendments 5,6,7,and 8 are all about the rights of the accused, NOT the accuser.
There's certainly a lot to learn about this topic.
ReplyDeleteI like all of the points you made.
Money makes us do crazy things. Money destroys families.
ReplyDeleteThere was once a very christian family who lived on a tiny island in a small humble village. Mom and Dad were blessed with many kids. This God-fearing family did as any other family and were religious in their catholic faith practices. One thing that made them different was that beginning with Mom and Dad, money directed their flow of life. Wherever they looked or whatever they became involved in was based on their prospective profit. Any way they could turn a dime into a dollar was their daily goal. This love of money is what eventually led to the destruction of the family.
Pas!
-Jokers Wild
Dear Jokers Wild,
DeleteThat is so true. The love of money can destroy a family.
I have to admit that Diana made a valid point about something. A 16 year old claimed he was rape during a party. I assume this party has a lot of people. After he was rape, he stays beside his parents. And no one in that party including his parents notice anything? How did this boy react that no one at the party noticed anything?
DeleteIt is of very low chance that that a wise person like the Archbishop would touch a nephew. That would not only be a blunder it would be a grave error and sin!
DeleteI just cannot understand people who say such things. What benefit would the Archbishop have from this act? Zero! But the drawbacks are clear: guilt, distrust and broken family relations. Would anyone go into this mess by his own?! I don't think so! It is very hard to believe what this boy says.
Wise people ask the Virgin Mary to pray for them and to intercede for them so she may bring blessing in times of trouble.
DeleteWhy ??? Tim rohrs Seminary 40 million dollars the alcoholic relative wants to get his share
ReplyDeleteWe read in the news that Mark Apuron has not filed a charge. He might do that in the future, but this is still open. Why do you think he only wants money?
DeleteWait and see
DeleteIt's about the money old trust me Anonymous cousin $ ?
DeleteJane Doe, people at the party didn't notice anything cuz it obviously didn't happen. Rape is traumatic for any victim. After being raped, how did the kid walk out in a room full of people looking unscathed is a good question. Either he's a good actor (which I doubt) or everyone in that room was drunk blind (which I also doubt).
ReplyDeleteAfter this is all over with I like to see who's going to get all the church donation money I like to see what Tim's going to get see how much money it takes to sell his soul
ReplyDeleteDear Anonymous, how is the story of Mark Apuron related to Tim Rohr? Just wondering, because he was not even mentioned.
DeleteDear Grow up in faith,
DeleteThere may be more to the story. Mark Apuron said he was estranged from family members, not just Archbishop Apuron.
Diana look at what Byrnes said he didn’t even want to mention archbishops name to pray for only his nephew Byrnes has asked the island community to pray for Mark Apuron as well as other individuals who have recently filed lawsuits against the Archdiocese and retired priest, Father Louis Brouillard. it’s showing that Byrnes is in for the full authority of the archbishop of agana
ReplyDeleteDear God is one,
DeleteJust because Archbishop Byrnes said to pray for Mark Apuron does not mean that he is saying not to pray for Archbishop Apuron. It is not to be interpreted in that way. He said pray for Mark Apuron and that is all. The remark is not meant to be interpreted as something else. Archbishop Byrnes made it clear that he is centering only on people who claimed to be victims of sexual abuse.
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ReplyDeleteIf I was being raped by another man, I can only assume it hurt. I would resist, I would yell, I would not be able to walk back out into the crowd as if nothing every happened.
If someone did otherwise, it was either consensual, the person enjoyed it or the perpetrator had an abnormally tiny sexual organ.
Dear BringbackRMSguam,
DeleteI will allow it. I will also add that when there is a struggle or resistance between a rape victim and the perpetrator, there is bound to be a loud commotion that would make it difficult for a crowd to ignore.
RIGHT?!
DeleteDear BringBack, you are right, whatever happened might have been consensual. The kid drank wine, probably he was drunk already. He was scared when he was caught. He could have thought he was being punished for bad behavior. He might have even "enjoyed it" as you say. But how would all this make a difference? We are talking about alleged sex with a minor, aren't we?
DeleteJust asking.
Dear Grow up in faith,
DeleteIf what he said is true, then he was not too drunk to understand that he was being raped that he pushed off his uncle and ran to his parents. How he managed to keep a straight face to his parents and the crowd is beyond me.
MONEY IS EVIL!
DeleteThanks to all those that supported the lifting of the statute of limitations and the far worse ability for alleged victims to go not only after the perpetrator but also the institution, we now have a total mess.
Anyone and I mean anyone who can place themselves in the same time frame as Father Luis Builard and any of the now deceased priests and now even Archbishop Anthony, can file a claim and sue the church for meeeeelions.
What is the church going to do? They will settle all these accusations out of court to save money. They will not bother to fight the battle, they will silently take fault.
This is why the lawsuits are so high, 5-10 million. Settlement out of court will be for half of the amount at the least. The goal of every lawyer is to shoot high so to gain as much of it as possible. The sad part is after slamming the accusee with all the fees, the lawyer will always walk away with more.
Who do we send the thank you cards to?
pray for Guam. Pray for all those that will have to answer to God for this evil.
Is Tim rohr going to be responsible of selling this Seminary ??
DeleteHe said in recent video he is involved with An enterprise with Inn on the Bay Agat. Different hotel.
DeleteDiana remember this saying in what archbishop Anthony said during the great mission in 2015 “Jesus asks us to go and preach the Gospel, to go and teach all nations, to go and be
ReplyDeletewilling to die for Him,” continued the archbishop. “The way to Christ and to salvation
is the way of the cross. We cannot deny the cross. We must accept it. We must embrace it. We must carry it in our lives even in a visible and physical way, even if we are persecuted, contradicted, or chastised, we must be able to touch the hearts with the saving message of God.” and this is what we in the way are going through and Archbishop Anthony we are embracing our cross right now going through what Jesus did
I would like to know what mark has been doing since he was 16.
ReplyDeleteAnd I wonder how much is Mark getting paid and to slander his uncle and where the money to pay mark is coming from. Maybe the cemeteries?
And is it plausible that all these abuses happened so long ago? Is it really plausible that a predator who committed so many abuses 40 years ago would all of a sudden stop committing them?
I make a prophesy. Now that the RMS is closed, the priests that have been ordained from the RMS will be attacked. People of Guam: if you want to keep your priests you better fight for them. Since Byrnes only listens to the ones that shout the loudest, make your voice heard in defense of your priests.
They weren’t kidding when they said this is only the beginning......
DeleteRight on 1: 58 PM
DeleteThe Catholic Church will die with all this mess that Chuck White,Tim Rohr, Gerald Taitano, Dave Sablan and the whole CCOG family did. The Communities will remain. Without RMS building and everything but they can't take our memories away.
DeleteLuis L. Carino
Dear Luis, the church won't die. We have a time of mourning and grieving, but we won't die. We grieve because the loss of peace in our Catholic Church. It involves persons and beliefs, trust and convictions, authority and assumptions. We need time to process all this in our minds, souls and hearts.
DeleteThe 5 stages of grieving and loss are: 1. Denial; 2. Anger; 3. Bargaining; 4. Depression; 5. Acceptance.
The stages of grief and mourning are universal and are experienced by people from all walks of life, across many cultures. Mourning occurs in response to a great loss in our lives.
In our bereavement, we spend different lengths of time working through each step and express each stage with different levels of intensity. Throughout each stage, a common thread of hope emerges: As long as there is life, there is hope. As long as there is hope, there is life.
Ask the Virgin Mary for her prayer and intercession that her heart of pure motherly love may lead you though the stages into peace of mind, soul and heart.
https://psychcentral.com/lib/the-5-stages-of-loss-and-grief/
The church is in dying but it's being sold
ReplyDeleteHere comes the 5 million dollar lawsuit something's got to be done by all these lying victims defrauding the church starting with Tim Rohr and it's crooked lawyer let's see how many victims pop up with the 40 million dollar sale of a seminary
ReplyDelete@Joanne prayers are great but the intention to eliminate the neocatechumenal way in Guam is purely evil. Laity calling out Clergies to leave? Since the mid 90's in Guam the church goers diminish. This charism brought me back, the Way is not for everyone and the mission intention here is to evangelize but not to sit around in our comfort but to announce the gospel; not just to keep it for ourselves! Yes they WAY is not for everyone, but what if this prevent the sufferings (like the boy who committed suicide, the boy who choke his girlfriend or the husband who found his wife cheating and this announcement of GOD save them from tremendous sin!? Joanne have you notice? When the seminary and the other Neocatechumenal way PRIEST were sent away.... Did you notice anything? None of the picket outside or threaten an oldman or to condemn anyone. Even the communities were ridicule and mocked, we did not come out I want justice! We are not perfect or I speak for myself.The Catholic Church on Guam is dying not the inside but the one who were Catholics that are suffering.
ReplyDeleteLet's see the 5 stages of grief and loss in more detail.
Delete1. Denial & Isolation
Denial is a defense mechanism that buffers the immediate shock of the loss, numbing us to our emotions. We block out the words and hide from the facts. We start to believe that life is meaningless, and nothing is of any value any longer.
2. Anger
As the masking effects of denial and isolation begin to wear, reality and its pain re-emerge. We are not ready. The intense emotion is deflected from our vulnerable core, redirected and expressed instead as anger. The anger may be aimed at inanimate objects, complete strangers, friends or family.
3. Bargaining
Secretly, we may make a deal with God or our higher power in an attempt to postpone the inevitable, and the accompanying pain. This is a weaker line of defense to protect us from the painful reality. Guilt often accompanies bargaining. We start to believe there was something we could have done differently to have helped save our loss.
4. Depression
Sadness and regret predominate this type of depression. We worry that, in our grief, we have spent less time with others that depend on us. This phase may be eased by simple clarification and reassurance. We may need a bit of helpful cooperation and a few kind words.
5. Acceptance
Reaching this stage of grieving is a gift. This phase is marked by withdrawal and calm. This is not a period of happiness and must be distinguished from depression. Others can be there for you and help comfort you through this process. The best thing you can do is to allow yourself to feel the grief as it comes over you. Resisting it only will prolong the natural process of healing.
Pray to the Virgin Mary to intercede for you so that her motherly love leads you though the 5 painful stages of loss into peace of mind, soul and heart.
http://neocatechumenal.over-blog.com/2018/01/the-5-stages-of-grief-and-loss.html
Dear Joanne,
DeleteWhat does this have to do with what was said?
Diana, I understand that losing the Seminary is felt as a great loss for you and the NCW. I don't know who is right or not right here, but true healing does come though the intercession of the Mother of God.
DeleteDear Joanne,
DeleteMost of us are already over the loss of the seminary. In fact, we celebrated at the seminary before it closed down. We know that it was God who allowed the closure for the seminary because He had something better planned for the NCW in Guam. What God has planned for us is much better. Besides, the good news was given to us before the closing of the seminary. We were told that while the seminary in Guam was closing, nine more RMS seminaries were established worldwide.
Celebrating? Wow! What for?! Do you think it is something to be happy about? So why then the accusations against CCOG for plotting against the RMS?
DeleteWhat I found in the 5 stages description, would recommend doing something completely different. As I quoted:
"The best thing you can do is to allow yourself to feel the grief as it comes over you. Resisting it only will prolong the natural process of healing."
Pray this one week for each stage:
"Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord be with you! Blessed are you among women and blessed is the precious fruit of thy holy womb, our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Pray for me, intercede for me, sweet Mother of God, that I may move from stage ... to stage ... in my grieving for the great loss that I have suffered, through the guidance of thy tender heart and remaining in your motherly love forever. Amen."
Joanne - we have move on. The damaged was done. this evangelization to people who suffers outside the church... we pray for them. This charism is an instrument through the holy spirit that hopefully may see that God exist and love them despite the how much they suffer.
DeleteLuis L. Carino ====> Espana
To Jane Doe,
ReplyDeleteI believe you posted a comment under the wrong post. Therefore, I am bringing your comment under this thread. Your comment is posted here along with my response:
Jane DoeJanuary 13, 2018 at 3:37 PM
Looks like Rohr captured a portion of your post, Diana. He put it up on his JW Facebook, but no comments yet.
DianaJanuary 13, 2018 at 3:55 PM
Dear Jane Doe,
How is anyone going to comment on that particular portion that was copied? A 16 year old kid was raped with a crowd nearby and no one heard anything. After the rape, the kids walks back into the crowd and no one noticed anything about him. How is that possible? As someone pointed out under this thread, rape is a traumatic event for any victim.
Most important of all, Rohr stated, "They are more evidence of what we already know, but apparently Rome STILL needs to know."
This statement from Rohr is extremely questionable. How would Rohr know of any other evidence??? This implies that he had personal contact with Mark Apuron and that Mark may not have come out on his own.
Diana: There are a couple of things very wrong in this post but I don't know if you will publish my comment.
ReplyDelete1) You wrote: "Cardinal Burke was here on February 2016" but from what I remembered Cardinal Burke was here in February 2017 so I checked and found out I was right. Here are some links FYI:
http://www.guampdn.com/story/news/2017/02/15/conservative-cardinal-guam-investigate-sex-abuse-claims/97974224/ (Feb 16, 2017)
https://www.postguam.com/news/local/number-of-accusers-could-double/article_c4638d34-f42f-11e6-a1b6-07cca83baad9.html (Feb 17, 2017)
2) Then you wrote: "four accusers came out in May and June of 2015" again you're a year off. Roy Quintanilla had his press conference in May 2016. Again here are the links about his press conference in May 2016:
http://www.guampdn.com/story/news/2016/05/16/man-alleges-archbishop-molested-him/84469094/ (dated May 16, 2016)
https://www.postguam.com/news/local/man-accuses-archbishop-of-molestation/article_534027ee-1be4-11e6-aafb-b3ed98279a22.html (dated May 17, 2016)
So your claim that Mark Apuron knew for two years that his uncle was accused of sexual abuse is WRONG. This May will make it two years since Roy Quintanilla and the others accused Archbishop Apuron. You're so quick to post screenshots of Tim Rorh's blog so you can "prove" how wrong he is. But how about taking a step back and do your research before you publish your OP?
Like I said at the beginning I don't think you'll post this. I think you'll just change the dates. Or maybe you'll leave it because nobody in the NCW ever questions the accuracy of your OP. In your mind it's only "outsiders" who are out to "persecute" you.
Just do yourself a favor and check your info. OK?
Thanks.
Dear Anonymous at 9:58 pm,
DeleteThank you for correcting the year. With the New Year 2018, I sometimes get confused. I still write 2017, and I forget that it is already 2018. I will correct the year in the post.
I dont know if this Mark M. Apuron is the same person who was arrested in Jun 1, 2013? If he is....then his statement would not be credible... might have different motives for allegations...money?? Hhmmm....
ReplyDeleteDear anonymous, are you suggesting that Mark Apuron is a criminal? I don't think you are right. But even if you accuse him, you still have to explain why would the nephew of a holy man come into conflict with law enforcement? Was not an Archbishop able to influence his own family members to lead a Christian life? Why, what was the problem?
DeleteYou see, in the end, you argument may strengthen the testimony, making it more credible, rather than weakening it.
Dear Grow up in faith,
DeleteEven if Mark Apuron was arrested and charged with a crime, that is not Archbishop Apuron's fault. Mark is a grown man and has free will. He makes the choices in his own life.
Dear Diana, it is pure statistic that a high percentage of people who were abused as a child, would tend to follow 2 deviating courses:
Delete1. turning their frustration inward, thus becoming depressed, drug users and mentally ill;
2. turning their frustration outward, thus becoming social misfits, sociopaths or even criminals having conflict after conflict with law enforcement.
I am sorry, Diana, but sexual abuse has never been about free will.
Dear Grow up in faith,
DeleteSo, what does that have to do with the stages of grief and loss? Grief and loss is when you lose a loved one. Also, I was not referring to the sexual abuse. I was referring to the June 1, 2013 arrest that was mentioned by Anonymous 10:13 pm.
Dear Diana, I am not talking about grief or loss. I am talking about the accusation that Mark Apuron might have had a conflict with law enforcement some 5 years ago. What I am saying is that this accusation by itself would give much credibility to his testimony.
DeleteDear Grow up in faith,
DeleteIf anything, a criminal allegation would discredit his testimony.
Dear Diana, not necessarily! Abused kids often become deviants exactly because they were abused. If you have seen the movie Bad Education by Pedro Almodovar, then you know what I am talking about. This was a big hit in the movies a couple years ago.
Deletehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Education_(film)
Dear Grow up in faith,
DeleteWhat you do not understand is that Mark Apuron claimed to be raped by the Archbishop when there were a lot of people around. He said he was raped during a party. And all those witnesses heard nothing and saw nothing. After being raped, he came back into a crowd of people and no one noticed anything.
There is only ONE plausible explanation as to why they heard and saw nothing.
Why would a nephew of a holy man accuse him of rape Maybe $5000000!!!!
ReplyDelete