Saturday, January 6, 2018

My Response To Zoltan

This is my response to Zoltan who made the following comment:  
Dear Diana, thank you very much for your concern. But I was not targeted because I write to your blog. Not at all. I was targeted because I stood up publicly and confronted the destructive intentions of a few in the newspapers.

What is more, I forgave Frenchie and and thing is between us, you have no business to make conclusions. Most of all, you should not construe this information as an excuse for giving safe haven to no-name, anonymous comments without any moral stature or depth.
Dear Zoltan, 

First of all, the main reason you were targeted was because you publicly defended the NCW.  Dr. Eusebio was also targeted for the same reason.  Deacon Tenorio, Monsignor David, Father Edivaldo, Father Pius, and Father Adrian were targeted because they publicly defended the Way or Archbishop Apuron. 

A person has every right to keep their name, phone number, and other personal information confidential especially in light of what the jungle is capable of doing.  For example, because you reveal your real name, this is the information that Tim Rohr published in his blog about you.  According to Tim Rohr:
In his reply to my comment on Zoltan's PDN letter bashing the CCOG and me, Zoltan said that "people deserved to know who you are." Well, Zoltan, perhaps people deserve to also know who you are. 

Before being hired by UOG in 2006, Zoltan spent 7 years teaching at Gallaudet University in Washington D.C. In addition to not being liked by most of his students (his teacher rating was only 2.6 out of a possible 5), it appears Zoltan had already developed his penchant for denigrating and belittling others. 


In the post below, while at Gallaudet, he mocks people with Aspergers Syndrome. He says that "they are completely unable to follow other people’s reasonings," and that "They also have and maintain and utter contempt toward anything different from their own."

Of course what Zoltan means - as we have seen here on Guam - is that "they are completely unable to follow HIS reasonings." And if anyone has and maintains "utter contempt toward anything different than (his) own, " it is Zoltan, who famously told three women who disagreed with him: I gave you a chance to grow beyond your unintelligible bullshit.” 

Zoltan, I happen to have a son with Aspergers Syndrome. 

Seriously Dr. Underwood, what sort of people to you permit to teach at our tax-payer funded University? 
As you can see, Zoltan, Tim Rohr went through a lot of trouble digging up information about you......and all because he knew your identity.  He found out that you taught at the Gallaudet University in Washington DC for 7 years.  He knew the year you were hired at the University of Guam, and he even knew your teacher rating score.  Rohr went through a lot of trouble looking through the Internet for any information about you.   

This is why many of us go anonymous.  We have a right to keep our name, address, phone numbers, and other personal information confidential.  We have every right to protect ourselves and our families especially in light of the fact that the jungle is even capable of getting the personal flight information of Archbishop Apuron and Mr. Gennarini. After they obtained the personal flight information of Mr. Gennarini, CCOG and LFM went to the airport to publicly harassed them.  It is you, Zoltan, who have no right to FORCE anyone to reveal themselves.  If anyone wishes to reveal their real name, then let it be his/her decision.   

30 comments:

  1. Diana you need make a correction because you put Monsignor James and Diana look at a portion of what Pope Francis said On the other hand, the temptation of indifference is always present. Even if we know that Jesus is the Saviour, we prefer to live as if He were not: instead of behaving coherently with our Christian faith, we follow the rules of the world, which tend to satisfy our inclination to arrogance, our thirst for power and money. umm does sound like what’s happening here on Guam with a bishop that starts with m and ends with b $$$$$

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    1. Dear God is one,

      Thank you. I already caught that and corrected it.

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    2. Hey Diana you're doing a great job keep it up "A n o n y m o u s"

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  2. Diana... have you read the comment left on this article by a guy named alexander?
    http://www.guampdn.com/story/news/2018/01/06/shell-seminary-now-closed-and-1-year-review-drawing-near-neocatechumenal-ways-future-guam-hangs-bala/998891001/

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  3. Tim Rohr not only tries to dig out dirt but expresses it like a spoiled child would. I can't believe he is a father of many children... what an example of immaturity.

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    1. Dear Anonymous at 2:09 am,

      Rohr's purpose of digging up any information on Zoltan was to get him in trouble with his job. He managed to dig up information that Zoltan wrote about 11 years ago. Notice Rohr's last statement? It was addressed to Dr. Underwood. While it is true that Zoltan made some negative remarks about people with Aspergers Syndrome, Rohr was only telling half the truth. The next day, this is what Zoltan stated:

      testing_the_truth October 17, 2006
      Oops, I made some exaggarated statements here about people suffering from Asperger syndrome. I apologize! I apparently misunderstood some aspects of this contition. I found some information handily available on the Internet to better understand Asperger syndrome, that helped me a lot. http://www.udel.edu/bkirby/asperger/aswhatisit.html

      Zoltan


      That was what Zoltan wrote the next day after he made those negative remarks. He apologized and retracted his previous statement. This was what Rohr omitted from his blog. Telling half-truths while omitting pertinant information and then addressing Zoltan's boss with the intention of getting him in trouble at work is not freedom of speech. It is a tactic of manipulation.

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    3. Dear Zoltan,

      I brought up your conflict with Rohr to show you why many of us prefer to remain anonymous. What was done to you can easily be done to us.

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    4. I really admire Zoltan. I know he and Tim Rohr had differences with each other and Zoltan even admits that they had a conflict. It seems that in the spirit of the New Year Zoltan is able to move on with a clean slate despite the years of disagreement with Tim Rohr.
      Thank you Zoltan for being such a wonderful example of what a real Christian is. God bless you in this new year.

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    5. Zoltan hasn’t moved on. He only moved in a different direction. He now attacks the Way. And his reason is cuz he wants to be above the catechists cuz he’s got 30 years of Catholic faith. SMH. Sound like the same kinda pride Rohr has.

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    6. Zoltan, I once asked you how have you helped build up your parish during the 10 years you've been walking in the Way. You never answered my question. So, now I have another similar question to ask. During your 30 years of deep Catholic faith, how have you helped build up your parish?

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    8. Dear Zoltan,

      In my blog, I have expressed support for the Hope and Healing Program by Archbishop Byrnes because it provided counseling for victims of sexual abuse. Archbishop Byrnes has my support on that. On the other hand, he does not have my support for Church gambling.

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    9. Diana, your comment makes me very curious. What the stand of the Bishop on Church gambling? Can I read it somewhere?

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    10. Dear Joanne,

      You can read it in the weblink below:

      http://neocatechemunal.blogspot.com/2017/12/church-gambling.html

      You can also read the following weblink as well.

      http://neocatechemunal.blogspot.com/2018/01/announcement-to-commenters.html

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    11. I'm sorry Diana, what do you mean? I don't see here the stance of Bishop Byrnes on Church gambling. Where is it? Where did the Archbishop publicize his stance to the public?

      All I see at your link is a copy/paste from an anti-gambling web-site.

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    12. Dear Joanne,

      The link is not from an anti-gambling website. It is the Archdiocesan website endorsing raffle drawings. It also has the gambling forms from the Department of Revenue and Taxation, so you can easily download the forms from the Archdiocesan website.

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    13. Diana, I am sorry but I am confused. The link you gave me as
      http://neocatechemunal.blogspot.com/2017/12/church-gambling.html
      leads me to your post with an article from the USCatholic.org titled Take no chances: Survey on church gambling from July 2011. Is this the article you are talking about?

      I was wondering about the official stance of Archbishop Byrnes and the Archdiocese of Agana that you said you cannot agree with. You say it is endorsing gambling. Are we talking about the same link you gave me? I am sorry for my confusion.

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    14. All the dreams we held so close seemed to all go up in smoke
      Let me whisper in your ear:
      Diana, Diana, where will it lead us from here?

      Stones

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  4. Zoltan -you are not Happy? The Seminary has closed, the NCW Priest are gone for your (CCOG) sake.Dayenu! The communities never fought back and protest against the Archbishop. Is this enough?!

    Mauricio

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    1. Anonymous at 9:38 AM: You said "The Seminary has closed, the NCW Priest are gone for your (CCOG) sake. Dayenu!" Are you saying that Zoltan is now a part of CCOG? You must be dreaming!!
      Zoltan might be asking questions but that doesn't mean he has joined CCOG. That idea is hilarious! Isn't it possible that people can have questions and not be a part of CCOG???

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    2. 2:10 does he not have a tone of CCOG or perhaps a closet CCOG?

      He can't get a clue what his asking Diana . Quite frankly your question has no bearing.
      Mauricio

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  5. Diana, this guy 'alexander' just got brutally insulted in the JW... just as you have been telling Zoltan. He must have hit a nerve, cause he went after him with lots of hateful rhetoric.

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    1. Dear Anonymous at 11:32 pm,

      Could you create a username for yourself? Alexander Chen listed 4 things in his comment, but Tim Rohr only chose to address the first two. The evidence he used to support his claim was the March 7, 2012 Apostolic Delegate letter to Archbishop Apuron. The letter listed Canon Law 537. Unfortunately for the Apostolic Delegate, his advice to Archbishop Apuron went against the Canon Law he cited.

      According to Canon Law Made Easy:

      "The Code of Canon Law (537) mandates Parish Finance Councils in each parish. The role of the Parish Finance Council is to assist and advise the Pastor in overseeing and controlling the financial affairs of the parish, including any schools. The Parish Finance Council is accountable to the pastor who has the responsibility for final decisions. If the advice of the Parish Finance Council is unanimous on a given matter, the pastor will give serious consideration to the recommendation."

      http://www.sjeparish.net/forms/financecouncilguidelines.pdf

      The Archbishop does indeed have the final decision on the Parish Finance Council. And if there is a unanimous vote in the Parish Finance Council, the Archbishop will give it serious consideration to their recommendation. And that is all their unanimous vote means......a recommendation. The Archbishop makes the final decision. He can choose not to follow the Parish Finance Council.

      Furthermore, the Canon Law is much higher than the letter of the Apostolic Delegate cited by Tim Rohr.

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    2. Look Zoltan, he remove his comments now.

      Luis L Carino

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    3. Hi Luis, what happened? Why did he remove his comments?

      By the way, you can make your name appearing rather than Anonymous if you reply at Name/URL. You type in your name and leave the URL blank.

      Cheers!

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  6. Diana,

    Carefully read Canon 127 on juridical acts, especially #2

    "...the Code of Canon Law 1983, for very sound theological and administrative reasons, was written in their favor, and that therefore, provided they follow its sometimes tedious requirements, they will be upheld in virtually any dispute occasioned by their decisions and actions."

    "...the 1983 Code grant local bishops much more decision-making authority than was common under the former law. The new canons on consultation and consent concretize the opportunity to make legitimate use of a wide range of talents and expertise among the people of God in the local Church. But while there is greater local autonomy for pastoral policies, there is also a greater requirement to make sure such policies reflect local needs as opposed to institutional preferences. Indeed, the scope of issues potentially involving consultation or consent requirements is vast: ordination and continued ministry of priests, most diocesan budget and finance issues, diocesan pastoral councils and synods, distribution of parishes and numerous clergy matters, renovation of churches, enactment of disciplinary norms, supervision of schools and, well, the list just goes on and on.

    But, to consider only the most basic distinction here, consultation does not mean consent (c. 127) and bishops need to know in advance which they are seeking, if only to explain to those with whom they are conferring the differing expectations attached to their discussions. Particularly in America, we are inclined to see committees and councils as policy-making bodies, which under canon law they rarely are. At many times in the past, such groups have had to be reigned in, a difficult task obviously, and one that might not have been necessary if all those involved, including the bishop, had been better able to articulate the theology and practical aspects of the 1983 Code’s greatly enlarged emphasis on consultation and consent in Church life."

    All these comes from the webpage:
    http://www.canonlaw.info/a_fivethings.htm

    Peace
    - Just Helping

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