Archbishop Hon was told by the Pope to take over the Archdiocese of Agana as an Apostolic Administrator. The Pope has also listed certain guidelines for Archbishop Hon to follow.
Because Pope Francis is unable to come himself and take over the Archdiocese, he sent Archbishop Hon in his place. This means that anyone who disobeys Archbishop Hon is being disobedient to Pope Francis who sent him here. Anyone who opposes Archbishop Hon would also be opposing Pope Francis who sent him here. In addition, they would also be opposing the Catholic Church and would not be in communion with her. Archbishop Hon has called all Catholics to work together in building unity in the Church, and we must at least strive to do that. Pope Francis has spoken through Archbishop Hon who comes in his stead. Any sign of protest or opposition would be a protest against Pope Francis, the representative and Vicar of Christ who sits in the Chair of the Apostle Peter.
Of course, it is not always easy to find harmony and peace, but with God all things are possible. Reconciliation comes with an open heart, understanding, forgiveness, and love. In his homily yesterday, Archbishop Hon tells us to love one another. This is also the commandment of Christ. This is how people will know that we are His disciples. And how are we to achieve this? Sacred Scripture tells us how.
1 Corinthians 13:4-5 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.
Not exactly. I know the point you're trying to make, but not even the Pope commands blind obedience. He is infallible in matters of faith and morals, and in all things lawful or permissible should be obeyed. By extension then, Archbishop Hon may speak for the Pope, but this doesn't mean that any disagreement with him is a break from the Pope nor a break from Rome. That kind of absolutist application is the exact opposite of what the Church has always taught, then and now.
ReplyDeleteBesides, if absolute obedience to every work of Hon is binding, then any comment you make about Rohr or others on his side amounts to you violating the rule of seeking reconciliation. So clearly, having an opinion and expressing it aren't commanded under obedience. Acts related to faith and morals, however, are.
"Any sign of protest." That's flat-out wrong. Pope Francis himself would completely disagree. Besides, what is protest then? How is one to understand what is meant by that if we are to call it disobedience (and before anyone gives a snarky answer, the fact is that the question calls for real reflection, not sound bites)? It sounds alot like you're working very hard to have anyone from the jungle side excommunicated. Since the Church doesn't ever ever seek that and excommunication is always the last resort, please stop setting up the current situation as an all-or-nothing proposition.
Lastly, I do rejoice that you and others in the NCW as well as the Archbishop agree that a lawsuit would be a terrible idea. After all, since "it keeps no record of wrongs," then it's all water under the bridge. Right?
Dear Anonymous at 12:46 am,
DeleteI do not advocate for blind obedience. The Holy Bible screams of obedience. Obey your mother and father. Wives, obey your husbands. Slaves obey your masters. Obey your bishops. You will find all these in the Bible because obedience is important to God. It teaches humility and prepares us for God's Kingdom. The only time we can disobey is when we are told to do something immoral such as to steal, to cheat, to kill, or bear false witness against someone.
You stated: "Archbishop Hon may speak for the Pope, but this doesn't mean that any disagreement with him is a break from the Pope nor a break from Rome."
I never said anything about "disagreement." I said "disobedience." Archbishop Hon said to speak in the spirit of dialogue in order to resolve our problems. I can always disagree with the removal of Father Paul and Monsignor James. That is not the problem. The problem is the effort in getting Father Paul and Monsignor James reinstated through whatever means which includes protests and pressure into getting the Archbishop to resign. This is disobedience. Whether you disagree with the Archbishop's decision in removing Father Paul and Monsignor James, in the end you need to accept his decision.....just as a child must also accept the decision of his parents when they assign him/her the task of washing the dishes after dinner every day.
The real issue in this conflict started with the removal of Father Paul and Monsignor James. You want the Archbishop to restore their position back to them. Father Paul and Monsignor James are not unborn babies. They are grown men and can take care of themselves. They do not need the laity to fight for them. They have already brought their case to Rome. So let Rome take care of it.
the protests, opposition, is a work of the Holy Spirit. Calling these victims to face their Crosses and echo it
DeleteDear Anonymous at 8:14 am,
DeleteThe Devil works to divide people between themselves and with God. Sin separates us from God. The Holy Spirit, on the other hand, promotes reconciliation.
Diana........BRAVO!!!'''''' AT.. 7:44 AM
Delete''BEAUTIFUL''
ReplyDeleteIf everyone is to obey then the NEOs should stop having their own masses. That goes against the call for obedience and therefore should be stopped. Diana if you want obedience then it goes both ways. On one side you have protesters saying they don't agree with the NEOs and having separate masses. And on the other side is the NEOs. So only one side has to obey?
ReplyDeleteDear Anonymous at 7:30 am,
DeleteHow are we being disobedient having a Mass on Saturday night? It was the Vatican who allowed the NCW to celebrate in small communities on Saturday night. The NCW is not here to obey the protesters. Since when did the protesters became the Archbishop?
I think 7:30am means Mass apart from the parish. Let's all dial it down a touch, can we?
DeleteDear Anonymous at 7:45 am,
DeleteYou are correct. I apologize for the last two sentences in my comment. My fingers were typing faster than my brain. I need my morning coffee to wake up my brain. :-)
Yeah, and the NCW has been disobedient in the way it receives (administers)_ communion. This discussion has happened many times on your blog. You essentially argue that you are allowed to be disobedient to the written instruction of the Church becuase you are told too by your catechists.
DeleteDear Anonymous at 12:55 pm,
DeleteSince you are making the claim that the NCW is disobedient, then prove to us and everyone else that we did NOT have the Vatican's permission. Show us the evidence where the Pope has excommunicated the NCW for disobedience.
Correction, the neos don't call it a "mass". They call it a "celebration".
DeleteDear Anonymous at 1:16 pm,
DeleteThe Catechism of the Catholic Church ALSO calls the Mass a "celebration" (See CCC 2042). So what exactly is your point?
Because neos don't ever call it a mass. Why is that Diana? Why do you want to be different? You have your "celebrations" separately and you even sing ONLY Kiko's songs. WHY?
DeleteDear Anonymous at 10:42 pm,
DeleteSo, we call it a Eucharist....so what is the big deal? What is wrong with being different especially whe God created all of us different? And is it really worth fighting over songs????
Diana, IF the Denton account of the abuse took place 40 years ago, then it would then have happened in the OLD rectory, and not the current building now standing. But, their detailed description of the abuse describes the current "rectory" now standing which did not exist 40 years ago. Are they talking about the same church "rectory"?
ReplyDeletethey are talking about the small building next to the end of the mt carmel school annex. it was a two room building at most. the priests' quarters and the receptionist. they are not talking about the large concrete structure where the priest currently stays. this small building is metal roofed/tin.
DeleteI dont know but he pointed to a window of that building and said in that room is where......
ReplyDeleteWow.....
That is what he ckaims, no mention of building change or building 40yrs ago..
See how long it takes before Tim and his jungle turn against Archbishop Hon??? Tim were your count down clock??
ReplyDeleteNo need to put up a clock for this one. The Vatican has already started its investigation.
DeleteI wish, but how can we be sure, anon 8:53?
DeleteClock should be on Tim when will he convert?? When will the Love of God hit him to repent??
ReplyDeleteI know my clock is running out of time "Like a thief in the night".
Anonymous 5:57pm- Then why judge Mr. Rohr. He is a son of Christ as well. He is no less nor is he better. We are all equal in the Lord's eyes
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