Take for instance, the unborn child. Some called the unborn child a "mass of cells", which makes it easier for abortion to take place. The unborn child is viewed as an object (a mass of cells or a fetus). Their identity as a human being was eliminated, and they were treated as an object that can be disposed. In the same way, African Americans were seen as property before and during the Civil War, which made it easier for some people to enslave them. They were not viewed as human beings, but as property that can be disposed.
During World War II, the Jewish people were demonized as "subhuman" or an "alien race" who caused all of Germany's problems. The consequence was the Holocaust. By demonizing them and making them less than human through Nazi propaganda, it made it easier for many German Nazis to carry out genocide.
Members of the NCW on Guam are now being demonized as "evil incarnate" and the "devil" who are causing the destruction of the Catholic Church. Propaganda is now being leveled against the NCW as "murderers." These comments came from the jungle (the bold is mine):
CNMI LawyerNovember 20, 2015 at 11:38 AM
Failure to publish the Decree is indeed strong circumstantial evidence of the Archbishop's deceptive intentions, though he may seek to blame that on the chancery, as usual.
The NCW Cult clearly promotes and enables an environment of wholesale corruption, greed, theft, and blackmail.
N.B. Instead of merely referring to the Neocatechumenal Way (NCW), we should use "NCW Cult". Instead of New Eucharistic Order (NEO) adherents being referred to as NEOs, a more accurate descriptor would be "NEO Cultists".
The NCW Cult and NEO Cultists are the "soil" in which the ongoing evil lives, thrives, and has its being.
Comment Taken From Jungle
Determined Devil
Dedicated Dim Wit
Disturbed Doofus
Apuron, resign now you
DIOCESE DESTROYER! ��
Eileen Benavente-Blas
Dedicated Dim Wit
Disturbed Doofus
Apuron, resign now you
DIOCESE DESTROYER! ��
Eileen Benavente-Blas
AnonymousNovember 10, 2015 at 7:38 AM
Decades will come and go; unfortunately this terrible photo of the devil in Shepard clothing will remain in the bookshelves of our parishes. The photo is published in the jubilee book of the Agana Cathedral Basilica. It irks all of us knowing that the Popes special home (Basilica) is now the grand meeting place of an evil cult (NCW/NEO) that has infested our island of paradise.
Comment Taken From Jungle
Fr. Matthew Blockley.November 23, 2015 at 10:05 AM
Agnes. I also believe NCW will go to extreme measures to remove individuals who are possible threats to their cult. They do this by bullying, accidents, threats to life and Death. If I was Archbishop I would certainly have one trusted helper prepare meals or do it myself. I would be wondering if my meals had substance added to harm me.
The NCW consist of over 1 million people. CNMI Lawyer, Eileen, Father Blockley, Frenchie, and others (some who are anonymous) have said that the NCW is "evil", "evil incarnate", and the "devil'. This goes beyond "name calling" for the devil is NOT human. And when one labels a group of people (in this case over 1 million people) either as the "devil" or "evil", they dehumanize the group of people so it makes it easier for others to abuse, persecute, and eventually even kill them. Already Frenchie is claiming that the NCW leadership are murderers.
Did you know that the Early Christians were also accused of murder and cannibalism??? According to the weblink below (the bold is mine):
The circumstances surrounding the first persecution – Nero’s – had enormous effects, despite the fact that this persecution does not seem to have extended further than the city of Rome. The Christians were officially accused of a heinous crime – the burning of the city – and this created a widespread public opinion hostile to the new religion.http://www.earlychristians.org/index.php/expansion/item/302-the-pagan-empire-and-christianity-the-persecutions
The historian Tacitus regarded Christianity as ‘a pernicious superstition’; Suetonius described it as ‘novel and mischievous’; Pliny the Younger as ‘depraved and extravagant.’Tacitus went as far as calling the Christians enemies of mankind. Therefore it is not surprising that ordinary people attributed to Christians all sorts of monstrosities such as infanticide and cannibalism, etc. According to Tertullian, ‘Christians to the lions’ became the obligatory catch-cry of every riot.
This is the FIRST I have heard Frenchie accuse the NCW leaders of being murderers. Eileen and an anonymous commenter in the jungle has demonized the Archbishop as the "devil". CNMI Lawyer has also demonized more than 1 million people walking in the Way as an "evil cult". This goes beyond "name calling" because the NCW is being accused of a monstrous crime as murder and is being dehumanized as the devil and an evil cult. And this propaganda against the NCW is not coming from the NCW.
Diana, you've accused the disabled as being terrorist. Does that make you right? Now you are surprised that YOUR GROUP is being labeled?
ReplyDeleteThis is funny reading both sides from an outsiders point of view. It's like a bunch of immature school children name calling.
Dear Anonymous at 2:44 pm,
DeleteI did not accuse Eileen of being a terrorist. I accused her of trying to bring her protest to the Gala celebration. The "terrorist" comment was in response to Tim's statement that ALL women are harmless.
Yes, as you said on another topic, people tend to project their ideas on others. She had no intention of interfering with the archbishop's gala in the Hyatt ballroom. That's what you would have done had you been a protester. Her only intention was to get something to eat and she was targeted by the archbishop's G4S goon upon entering and targeted again when at 8 PM she wanted to use a restroom publicly accessible to all hotel guests as stated by the hotel manager on duty that night. I've seen her walk with her walker--very slow. No threat to anyone but in your eyes.You made accusations against her based on what your intentions would have been.
DeleteDear Anonymous at 7:02 pm,
DeleteThe guard was not projecting his ideas or feelings on Eileen. He was doing his job. It was NOT only Eileen he questioned when she entered the hotel. The guard also questioned the other protesters who entered the hotel. I agree with the security guard. The fact that I agreed with the security guard in that he did his job is not a projection of my ideas or feelings.
Yes, you are correct to agree with a G4S goon who denies a handicapped woman with a walker the use of the nearest restroom. Very Christian of you.
DeleteDear Anonymous at 10:53 pm,
DeleteIt has to do with doing his duty as a security guard. She was a protestor. Allowing her to use the same restroom that the Gala celebrants use could easily cause a conflict between a protestor and the people whom she protested against. The nearest restroom was where she ate dinner at.
Get your facts straight. The nearest restroom was the one Eileen in fact used after the G4S goon tried to stop her from doing so. She used the restroom and exited the hotel. Why do you persist in your lies??? What is your proof that she had intentions to disrupt the gala in the ballroom? Yours is only speculation. An older woman in her 60's who uses a walker is not a threat to anyone.
DeleteDear Anonymous at 11:47 am,
DeleteWho said anything about a "physical" threat??? I said that the security guard did his duty in keeping the protesters from those whom they protested against. Had the security guard allowed her to use that particular restroom, she may have encountered some guests of the Archbishop there and brought her protest to them, causing a disruption in the celebration.
Besides, if she really needed the restroom that badly and was told that she is unable to use that particular restroom, she would immediately go to another restroom. But what did she do instead? She walked all the way to the front desk to complain about the security guard. Then she and the person at the front desk walked all the way to the security guard. Personally, that sounds like she did not need the restroom that badly. According to Eileen's own testimony:
"I was extremely pissed. He again refused to give me his name. I went to the front desk and told the manager on duty what happened. She came back with me to question the guard. He told her Dave in the Hyatt security office had given him instructions to block access to that area."
As you can see, if she really needed the restroom that badly, she would have gone to another restroom rather than walk all the way to the front desk to complain about the security guard and then walk back to the security guard.
She obviously did not want to be BULLIED by a G4S goon. Would you let yourself be bullied? I would not. The guard was wrong as the manager told him he couldn't keep guests from using the restroom. You must stand up for your rights when bullied. Maybe you,Diana, would acquiesce to being bullied. It's important to stand up for yourself. That's a lesson I learned as a child when an older girl was picking on me.
DeleteDear Anonymous at 7:22 pm,
DeleteIf I was the protester, I would not enter the hotel in the first place. By entering the hotel, I simply make myself a target. The security guard has every right to question her because his job is to ensure that the Protestors keep away from the Archbishop and his guests.
The following comment was made by an anonymous commenter under the "Protecting An Asset?" entry post. I feel that this comment should also be placed under this thread. I would also like to add an observation. The jungle claims they want the RMS property returned as well as Father Paul and Monsignor James restored. If that is all they wanted, what is their purpose of stalking the Archbishop whenever he leaves off-island and of knowing his whereabouts all the time?
ReplyDeleteAnonymousNovember 23, 2015 at 12:10 PM
Dear Anonymous at 10:44, no, the proposition was that in case of a sudden unexplained death of the Archbishop, the NCW would be blamed. So it is a call for a free killing of someone, because it does not matter who does it, the NCW will be blamed anyway. We exactly understand the murderous intention of a criminal mind who is a trained and fierce enemy of our Holy Mother Church. We exactly understand the words that was written down.
Now, there is much fear and consternation at the jungle gang, because a recognizable and undeniably criminal mind surfaced among their ranks. There is much shrieking and gnashing the teeth in secret, because they do not wanna get associated with this masonic criminal. I can surely understand that. So anonymous, please, do not try to deflect and explain away what was written. It was written and cannot be revoked.
I just hope the Archbishop has a bodyguard around him, wherever he might be.
Dear Diana, the jungle was shaken by its own incredible stupidity. An anti-Catholic trouble maker openly expressed his lunatic desire of getting rid of our highest ranking church official here on Guam. He projected a delusional image of murdering the Archbishop while he is on a trip off island. This constitutes such a serious threat to personal safety. Even people at the jungle can easily understand the ramifications of this threat. They are going to be watched by anti-terrorist watchdog organizations forever.
DeleteWe see many fake posts bubbling up at the jungle now with zero new content in them. They do this to deflect attention from their crime. They wanna wait out the storm by hope the storm by recycling some old and dull content on the front pages. However, their commenters clearly understand that they may be implicated in a terrorist scheme if their name appear on the same pages as Frenchie's name at the jungle blog.
A subpoena of the jungle blog may be requested with identification of Frenchie's name, nationality and physical address. He might have an internationally sought-after person here with a fake identity. The brazenly anti-Rome gossips published about Vatican affairs show a man with intimate links to well-known anti-Catholic militants. We deserve to know who this person is. We should go ahead and request a subpoena. Meantime, the jungle operation must be put on hold by the police, until the relation of jungle people to international conspirators, including Matthew Blockley, is completely exposed.
It is time that jungle militants be held accountable for their crimes. They should not be left off the hook when all they can propose is murder, dissent and sedition.
Dear Anonymous at 12:37 pm,
DeleteWhen Tim Rohr stated that he received two emails CONFIRMING of a possible plot to murder the Archbishop, I feel that it should be taken seriously. After the attacks in Paris, the U.S. has put out a high alert on all traveling American citizens to be vigilant because terrorists are plotting to attack worldwide. High officials who are traveling should be extra careful.
However, have you noticed that the jungle is keeping tabs on the Archbishop's whereabouts? When he was in the Philippines to see Kiko Arguello, someone took photos of him and sent it to the jungle where Tim Rohr published the photos. When he was visiting the Pope in Philadelphia, someone took photos of him again. The fact that he is being stalked and spied on is very disturbing.
DeleteThank you Diana. I am also puzzled over how all these photos of Archbishop are taken when he travels and then published. It can only mean that someone is following him or someone in his party traveling with him is spying on his every action. This is a very well planned detective work now taking place. It's a highly organized project operation taking place. Very disturbing archbishop is being spied on almost daily.
Anonymous at 11:47 PM:
DeleteThe photos in the jungle came from the Redemptoris Mater Medellin website. The pix were taken by the seminary in Medellin. The seminarians in Medellin, Colombia were delighted to have a visit from an archbishop from the United States. The pix were also available on Instagram and Twitter posted by RMS Medellin.
Search Apuron + Medellin or Apuron + seminarios and you will find the pix. Some may have been in their Facebook page as well.
No one is spying. Are you for real???
Dear Anonymous at 1:32 am,
DeleteI was referring to the photos in the Philippines and Philadelphia. Photos of him were also taken in South Korea when he went to visit Pope Francis. Those kinds of photos were candid camera shots, not a posing group photo.
Diana, what you say is most disturbing! Yes, demonizing a group of people is always the first step in denying their human rights and inciting violence, even murder, against them. This pattern is produced at Junglewatch, an evidence of their criminal activity. Some anonymous commenters there surely act like undercover criminals. They were recruited and trained by a skillful person with a purpose.
ReplyDeleteHistory tells us how this had happened before. The examples you mention are hitting the nail exactly on the head! Labeling babies as masses of cells, labeling people as being alien and/or of subhuman race, all this ugly language had culminated already in the systematic extermination of Jewish and other people during the Holocaust of WWII.
Well, I just cannot find the words. This is exactly the purpose of these criminals. If they succeed, there will be blood flowing and angry mobs lynching their brothers and sisters on this beautiful island. This is their fruit, this is their "true faith".
That rat hole called jungle should be shut down immediately and permanently, until it's too late!
Dear anonymous 4:26, how can you accuse the jungle of being criminals with the documents that they have produced? From an outsiders view, the evidence has been growing and if I was ever in the jury when this goes to court, I would want to see ALL the facts before I can vote. As for right now, both sides seem to be immature with the name calling but then again, I suppose that's expected.
DeleteDear Anonymous at 4:26 pm,
DeleteMy concern right now is the Archbishop. Death threats were made against him.
Dear Anonymous at 5:59 pm,
DeleteI do not think you understand what has just happened. This goes beyond "name calling". Death threats have already been made, and that is a very serious matter. According to Tim Rohr:
"At first I thought the comments only inferred that his past would be finally exposed and he would be unceremoniously deposed. But two more confidential emails after I posted frenchie's recent comment (copied below) have confirmed that a possible plan to throw Tony "under the bus," may not be a figure of speech.................Maybe by exposing a possible plot here, we may make Kiko's thugs think twice. We want Apuron back healthy enough to sign on the dotted line and to set things right."
Tim received two emails that CONFIRMS a possible plot to kill the Archbishop, and he did not bother to even go to the police about it????
Seriously, first off I thought is was made abundantly clear that you were not to play in the Jungle. Unless, of course, Diana, you are the person who gave the order...I am baffled by the number of educated members of the Way who are unable to recognize that the Jungle backs up its assertions with concrete evidence. That being said, the only one logical ones with reason to threaten brother tony are those in the upper hierarchy of the Way. Just like the money from the black trash bags disappear with no real accountability, members of the way deemed a liability have had some questionable accidents or illness...No paper trail, no evidence, no one of authority culpable. Isn't that how the way operates? Calling a cult a cult. Is that wrong?
DeleteDear Anonymous at 6:26 pm,
DeleteFirst of all, calling a group of people a "cult" is different than calling them an "EVIL cult." That is the difference. That is where you dehumanize the group of people. There are cults such as the Jim Jones cult who committed murder.
We know for a fact that Rev. Jim Jones have committed murder, but where is the evidence showing that Kiko or any NCW leaders have committed murder? Who are the murdered victims??? No one in the NCW gave any order to kill the Archbishop. That order came from the jungle. As an anonymous commenter pointed out: "So it is a call for a free killing of someone, because it does not matter who does it, the NCW will be blamed anyway." The jungle has a motive for wanting the Archbishop gone. After all, they were the ones who have been crying for the Archbishop's removal or resignation. They even went so far as to try and get him removed by inventing child molestation charges against him.
Diana, you should notify the police If you are concerned about the archbishop's safety.
DeleteDear Anonymous at 7:08 pm,
DeleteI did not receive any emails confirming any plot of killing the Archbishop. It was Tim Rohr who received those emails; therefore, he is the one who should report it to the police. He is the one with the emails. If I went into the police station, I would be doing the same thing that John Toves did, who made a claim of child molestation charges against the Archbishop when he did not hear or see anything.
Dear Diana, please, do not worry about these jackals anymore. A credible and imminent threat was made against a person of high office. This is terrorism. Anonymous 6:26 can shovel up his so-called "evidence" where he wants. All of it. There has never been one single claim at the jungle that has ever been supported by evidence. Only trash and more trash... They have no educated concept of what evidence means.
DeleteThe only evidence they have produced is about their criminal activity. They show and reveal in a most sinister way who they are and what their true business is. This is not on us anymore, folks. It is the CIA's turn now to keep an eye on this rat hole called jungle. Would any stupid mistake be made by the blabbermouths, as there surely would, landing at a place due to criminals will follow.
Game over funny boys, your hookey-pookey got pinched.
Anon 6:26, you a re a big nobody to tell me what I can do and what I can't. Is this abundantly clear for you, honey or do you want me to tell you in a different way?! Because I can! Lol!
DeleteAnonymous 7:40, I'd like to hear it a different way since you say you can clearly put it. Lol.
Delete6.26pm no one intends to remove Archbishop of Guam.
DeleteCatholics want only a bishop who is fair just with "everybody"
It is injustice to Catholics that now fuels hatred towards Archbishop.
Reality is persons were violated this created the hatred.
DeleteHow may I ask is Archbishop Apuron Injust to Catholics in Guam?
Does he have a torture chamber in the basement of San Ramon?
Injustices must be stopped. Those who walk would be first to withdraw support should
Archbishop be acting unjustly. What are the injustice of Archbishop? I would like to know what these injustices are?
"Injustices must be stopped. Those who walk would be first to withdraw support should
DeleteArchbishop be acting unjustly"
Umm, you might want to check with the catechists on this one. Perhaps you were asleep at the time, but the initial catechesis clearly explains that the true Christian does not seek justice, like the nihilist and the Marxist, but rather allows the other one to "kill him", which is to say by loving in the "dimension of the cross". To fight for "justice" is to "come down from your cross", and we can't have that, can we?
The NCW enables the unjust, and seeks to rationalise injustice.
Now 12.37pm what unearth makes you think Team Junglewatch are associated with international conspiracy groups or militant organizations. Those on JW are simple old people who spend their time baking chocolate cookies to give their grandchildren and planting sun flowers in the Garden . JW people are kind gentle folk.
DeleteAre you for real 1.29am.? What planet do you live on?
DeleteJW names are not exactly grandparents preparing baked cookies warm milk for grandchildren.
JW commenters are nasty individuals spreading wild stories all over the place.
They are all ideal candidates to,appear on the Gerry Springer show.
Eileen bb and Fr.Blockley can bitch all they leant but NCW only gets stronger.
Divinely inspired by God.
Dear anonymous 1:29 am, it is a felonious spider web of criminal intent being spun around in the jungle. Please, open you eyes and see. Jesus taught you to see, when he applied the clay of spittle onto your eye, John 9:6. But people of the jungle say Jesus is a liar. Well, he is not! He teaches in 1 John 4:20:
DeleteWhoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen.
These liars use emotionally vulnerable people as cannon folders, a big shame for the Christian spirit. Eileen is being a typical foot soldier, taken advantage by Tim Rohr She was sent to a lavatory attack during the banquet of the Archbishop. Gosh, was it not stupid as hell?! How much lower will these masterminds of sedition go?
ReplyDeleteDiana no one desires to harm Archbishop. Question is rather why does Archbishop harm so many priests.? Had archbishop not have hurt priests I doubt that these present problems of church in Guam would have reached such problematic crisis.
Dear Anonymous at 11:59 pm,
DeleteExcuse me.........Father Paul and Monsignor James did not receive any death threats. They were removed from their positions, and they are still priests allowed to celebrate Mass.
These names of commenters Eileen bb, CNMI lawyer, Fr. Blockley stand out because many comments on JW are anon. It may well be true Diana the enclosed names did leave comments.
ReplyDeleteHowever, our Archbishop needs to reflect on how he demonized good men and women priests and religious in this archdiocese. I don't think these things are all aimed against NCW. There is a place for the way in the church just as there is a place for couples for Christ, ell shadi, opens dei. I believe these are attacks are being made to Archbishops past, his violation of priests, and personal damage to individuals. 11.59pm I believe is true. Problems are all because of how Archbishop treated individuals. This is not all about the way. NCW just chose the wrong face to represent them in the pacific region. Archbishop used NCW and NCW gained from the relationship. This is more about Archbishop than NCW.
Dear Anonymous at 7:45 am,
DeleteWho did the Archbishop demonized? Do you have his public statement? Where is the Archbishop's statement demonizing anyone?
Death threats are illegal no matter how you look at it. Since Tim Rohr stated that he received two confidential emails CONFIRMING a possible plot to kill the Archbishop, he can be held accountable for not submitting those emails to the proper authorities.
Dear anon, you have no business to go against the Archbishop. Who are you to do that? A bunch of conspirators and crooks in disguise?
DeleteHow do you dare to go against a servant of God with your obnoxious language and fake charges, against a leader of the church who has faithfully served the island community for over 30 years?
So you take offense because people in the jungle call your group an "EVIL cult" and yet you have no problem with your prophet Kiko calling anyone who doesn't belong to your CULT a JUDAS???
ReplyDeleteIn his own words:
“Finally, there is a third circle, a third group of brothers and sisters, those who live a lie, who have always lied to themselves. They are those in whom Satan acts, enslaving them. Not necessarily because they are wicked, or due to any fault of their own, but perhaps for some reason or other that we will not investigate…This mission is very important because, without Judas, there is no Paschal Mystery of Jesus Christ. If you are called to be Jesus Christ, you must have your Judas. Each of you here will have your hour. Your life is in function of assuming an hour…All Christians are called by God to take on this hour. When that day arrives, these people will have the mission of killing you, of destroying you.” – Catechetical Directory for Teams of Catechists Vol. 1, p82.
(http://thoughtfulcatholic.com/?page_id=817)
That's very interesting. Who first mentions killing and destroying others? Long before JungleWatch came into being, your prophet Kiko said and wrote "They are those in whom Satan acts, enslaving them" AND "these people will have the mission of killing you, of destroying you." In other words it's perfectly fine for Kiko to demonize NCW Outsiders AND it's fine for NCW Insiders to label us NCW Outsiders but not the other way around?
Dear Anonymous at 10:21 am,
DeleteWe never said that Judas Iscariot was not important. We recognize him as one of the Apostles chosen by Christ. In the Catechetical Directory, which was APPROVED by the Holy See, Kiko said that there are THOSE in whom Satan acts, enslaving them..........how interesting that you see "THOSE" as referring to you. Nowhere in the Catechetical Directory does it name THOSE whom Satan acts in. It never said that the junglefolks are those whom Satan acts in. It also never said that ISIS are those whom Satan acts in. Yet, you see yourself in it. That is something for you to reflect on. On the other hand, it is very clear that the junglefolks give a name to those whom they call "evil cult, and "devil." They name the NCW.
Dear Diana, your OP is titled "Demonizing a group of people", and you criticize your opponents for "dehumaniz[ing] the group of people so it makes it easier for others to abuse, persecute, and eventually even kill them."
DeleteThe anon at 10.21 correctly points out that that is exactly what Kiko does with this third group, calling them "Judas". He also identifies who they are - those that are not in the NCW or in the group that are "salted". He doesn't wait for them to identify themselves.
In the initial catechesis, the catechists spoke more about this, claiming that these "Judases" were the "intelligent" ones, that asked questions and refused to obey (the NCW presumably).
The fact that Kiko proudly identified the task of the "Judases" to kill and destroy is about as clear as you can get. It is no surprise that you can't acknowledge it though - Kiko is a "saint" whose teachings are "infallible", and if you were to question or doubt, you would be the Judas, wouldn't you?
None of this is Christian, by the way.
If you read about cults, many of the things the NCW does is also done by cults. For example, keeping members apart from family/friends who are not Neo by labeling them idols. Making them dependent on the NCW by convincing them that only the NCW understands their spiritual needs, denying them the right to ask questions of the catechists, blind acceptance of all that is taught by catechists. Having said all that, it does not mean that these are bad things but they are ways of control that the NCW and cults have in common. There will always be naysayers as that's human nature. If you believe in the NCW and the spiritual good that it does in the Catholic Church, it matters not what naysayers say. How does one become a catechist? And what is a "responsible"?
DeleteInterested in the NCW
Catechetical Directory? What Catechetical Directory? That one which is custodied in a Vatican library? You must say "mamotretos" or "a copy of the mamotretos".
DeleteDear Lapaz,
DeleteIf I am not mistaken, I think Chuck White has a copy of the first volume of the APPROVED Catechetical Directory, which he has been criticizing. I do not know why he is criticizing the APPROVED Catechetical Directory when all he should do is simply write to the Vatican and tell them that they should never have approved of it. Chuck White can tell them all the errors in the APPROVED Catechetical Directory better than the Vatican. :-)
Dear Anonymous at 3:32 pm,
DeleteKiko did not demonize those whom he called "Judases." This is what Kiko said according to the Catechetical Directory about Judases (capitalization is mine):
"“Finally, there is a third circle, a third group of brothers and sisters, those who live a lie, who have always lied to themselves. THEY ARE THOSE IN WHOM SATAN ACTS, ENSLAVING THEM. NOT NECESSARILY BECAUSE THEY ARE WICKED, OR DUE TO ANY FAULT OF THEIR OWN, BUT FOR SOME REASON OR OTHER THAT WE WILL NOT INVESTIGATE. Maybe these are the richest people, humanly speaking, the most intellectually gifted. (Judas was perhaps the brightest of the apostles, which is why he kept the purse … ) These people cannot stand the community. This mission is very important because, without Judas, there is no Paschal Mystery of Jesus Christ. If you are called to be Jesus Christ, you must have your Judas. Each of you here will have your hour. Your life is in function of assuming an hour. Jesus Christ was waiting for his hour to arrive and one day he said: My hour has come (see Jn 12:23). I hope that one day all of you will be able to say the same: My hour has come, the hour to give testimony of Jesus, the hour to be raised up, the hour in which the Father will be glorified in you. All Christians are called by God to take on this hour.
When that day arrives, these people will have the mission of killing you, of destroying you. Fundamentally,THEY LIVE DOMINATED BY THE DEVIL BECAUSE THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN LOVED. To be able to love himself and other people, a man needs to be loved. These people do not listen to your reasons; they do not recognize the Spirit. They say it’s all too angelic and a form of alienation which provides you with an excuse never to have to lift a finger to do anything. THE ONLY WAY FOR THESE BROTHERS AND SISTERS TO BE SAVED IS FOR THE CHURCH TO GIVE HER BLOOD FOR THEM, THE BLOOD OF CHRISTIANS, WHICH IS THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST. They will kill you and you will give your blood for them, as St. Stephen gave his blood for those who stoned him. IN THAT WAY, THEY CAN ALL BE SAVED.” Page 82, Day 4.
Do you see what Kiko is saying, Anonymous? He never demonized them the way the jungle demonized the Way. In the first place, Kiko called the "Judases" brothers and sisters. You NEVER see the jungle calling members of the Way that. Rather, they call us "evil cult" and "devil". Kiko never called the " Judases" devil or Satan. He said that Satan enslaves and dominates them. Kiko also said that the "Judases" are NOT wicked.
Diana, better be careful. A lawsuit may be coming your way.
ReplyDeleteCNMI LawyerNovember 24, 2015 at 4:07 PM
Indeed, it is action or inaction that is gravely morally evil (mortally sinful).
Contrary to the recent calumny by Diana, I have never said the NCW Cult itself was evil.
If she doesn't retract, correct, or edit her post, perhaps I should file a federal diversity John Doe defamation lawsuit and then get electronic and other discovery about the Guam NEO Cult blog?
Dear Anonymous at 10:17 am,
DeleteOh really? Well, before I retract, correct, or edit my post, perhaps CNMI Lawyer would be kind enough to explain his following comments of which I have some questions:
"The NCW Cult clearly promotes and enables an environment of wholesale corruption, greed, theft, and blackmail.
The NCW Cult and NEO Cultists are the "soil" in which the ongoing evil lives, thrives, and has its being."
CNMI Lawyer described the NCW cult and NEO cultists as a "soil." I would like to know how this "soil" is NOT evil especially since he stated that it is a soil in which evil lives, thrives, and has its being? Perhaps, he can enlighten me on that.
He also stated that the "NCW cult CLEARLY promotes and enables an environment of wholesale corruption, greed, theft, and blackmail." Perhaps, he can enlighten me as to what he means by "wholesale corruption, greed, theft, and blackmail". Are these things (wholesale corruption, greed, theft, and blackmail), which the NCW cult CLEARLY promote and enable supposed to be good or evil? Perhaps, he can enlighten me on what he meant by "wholesale corruption, greed, theft, and blackmail" which the NCW cult clearly promote and enable.
ReplyDeleteDiana you need to edit your post and the things you write or the CNMI will file a defamation lawsuit against NCW.
Dear Anonymous at 10:31 am,
DeleteSee my comment above. Before I edit my post, I would like CNMI Lawyer to explain his following comments:
"The NCW Cult clearly promotes and enables an environment of wholesale corruption, greed, theft, and blackmail.
The NCW Cult and NEO Cultists are the "soil" in which the ongoing evil lives, thrives, and has its being."
As far as I can see.......this is demonizing the NCW as being "evil" in that he is accusing the NCW of clearly promoting and enabling "wholesale corruption, greed, theft, and blackmail" as well as being" a soil in which ongoing evil lives, thrives, and has its being."
CNMI Lawyer stated: "Contrary to the recent calumny by Diana, I have never said the NCW Cult itself was evil". Perhaps, he should clarify what he meant by "NCW Cult itself". Because he also stated the following:
"Instead of merely referring to the Neocatechumenal Way (NCW), we should use "NCW Cult"."
So, who is "NCW Cult itself"? There is only the Neocatechumenal Way whose members consist of over 1 million people.
Anon. 10:31, iit's only fair for CNMI to clarify his position before Diana edits her post. He claims that,he never said the NCW was evil, then he should explain his comment when he described the Way as a soil where evil lives, thrives, and has it's being.
ReplyDeleteWell, if you don't clean your fridge, it might have something evil thriving in it. It doesn't make the fridge evil though. Fridges are good.
DeleteI think there's something in that for each of us.....
Dear Anonymous at 1:06 pm,
DeleteWhen my child did something that was bad, I never tell my child that he was a bad boy. I focus on the behavior. I told my child "fighting" with his sister was bad. The person should always be separated from the behavior. As Christians, we love the sinner but abhor the sin.
Saying that the NCW cult and Neo cultists is a soil in which evil lives, thrives, and has its being is the wrong thing to say because it puts the focus on the NCW and its members whom he labeled as "cultists". Perhaps, what CNMI Lawyer should have said was....... "the corruption, greed, theft, and blackmail found in the NCW should be stopped as all these things are evil." If it was said in this way, one focuses on the behavior (which is the corruption, greed, theft, and blackmail) and even condemns it.
No, that is not enough. The NCW is a system. And it is a system which encourages those vices through the manner and content of its teaching. That is different from saying individual members are evil. The system is the problem. If that is not acknowledged, there is no hope for it to be reformed. But you can't acknowledge it, for the same reason - that is, you identify with the NCW system.
DeleteDear Anonymous at 11:26 pm,
DeleteYou need to be more specific. If the NCW encourages vices, then how do you explain the many mission families and itinerants? How do you explain the many youths wanting to see the Pope in WYD? How do you explain the youth celebrating in a 2 hour Mass and reading scripture and praying for 4 hours? How do you explain the many vocations? How do you explain the families who are open to life and having up to 10 children?
Manipulation and coercion, mind control, cult tactics, total abnegation of self-thought.
DeleteDear Anonymous at 8:32 am,
DeleteIf what you say is true, then how do you explain the fact some members have left the Way out of their own free will. In a REAL cult (such as the Jim Jones cult, David Koresh cult, etc.), it was nearly impossible for the victims to escape. The few who were fortunate enough to escape went directly to the police.
However, these things are not happening in the Way. The people left on their own. Those who left disgruntled never went to the police because there were no crimes committed. For example, a person left the Way because his Catechist told him to leave the girlfriend and go back to his wife. The person instead left the Way and then complains to everyone that the Catechist was trying to control his life, when in truth he was telling him to stop committing adultery. Naturally, the person did not go to the police because the Catechist did not commit any crime against him. It was the person himself who committed the offense of adultery.
Bear in mind that the majority of those that leave the NCW also leave the Church. WHy? Because of the identification made within the NCW to the "true faith" - that is , the NCW leaves no doubt that it is considered to be the real faith, and the "ordinary" Church as infantile, covered in pagan accretions, mistaken, weak etc. Some estimate that for every 1 person remaining in the NCW, 5 have left, meaning that there is a terrible cost for those "fruits" you mention.
DeleteThe biggest challenge for members of the NCW are those that leave the NCW but choose to remain in the Church. This is a headache for the NCW as it doesn't fit with what they are told. "Not everyone is called to be salt and light" for instance - implying that even if you remain in the Church, but leave the NCW you have abandoned God's call and chosen a path to hell. Don't try to deny this. We all know it is true.
If it were simply as you put it (the catechists telling someone to stop committing adultery) it would be one thing. But it isn't that simple. All along the path, the catechists claim more and more authority and control of the individual. That is because the individual person doesn't really matter. It is all about the community, and the NCW doesn't care what effect is made upon the individual person if the end is a strengthening of the community.
It is the same with lies. Just last week a senior member of the NCW told me an outright lie - straightfaced and clear, because he had been instructed to by the catechists. He knew he was lying, we knew he was lying, but he did so anyway, because the catechists believed that it was better for a lie to be told if it served the purpose of protecting and building up the idea of the community.
This is a small example of the cost of the system. Individual people are put in these situations all the time, and they bear the cost, just like this man who felt obliged to lie on behalf of the community.
The problem with heresy is that it is mostly true - it is only a bit wrong. But it is the wrong bit that's the trouble. The NCW is not necessarily explicit in the errors it teaches, because it is all dressed up in orthodox language and seems mostly reasonable. Except the bottom line is always distorted and damaging to individuals.
The most worrying thing is that people like yourself, Diana, have sold your souls to the idea of the community. It has become an ideology - fixed, rigid, and therefore unable to either reform itself or to see the damage it causes in the first place. As long as you defend it inflexibly, without actually paying attention to the problems, and speaking up about them, you are culpable for the wounds it inflicts.
Dear Anonymous at 10:52 am
DeleteYou stated: " Some estimate that for every 1 person remaining in the NCW, 5 have left,"
Could you cite me the study that came up with this statistics? The NCW already has over 1 million people and growing. Last month, I heard that the two by two mission in the U.S. was so successful that 100 priests in the United States wanted to have the NCW in their parish as soon as possible, and 300 other priests are considering on doing the same thing.
You also stated: "He knew he was lying, we knew he was lying,"
How do you know he knew he was lying, and how do you know he was lying??? Do you have the same powers as God? Only God see the person's heart.
For you information, I attend both the regular parish Mass and the Mass in the Way. And you say that I am inflexible???
Folks, I made a discovery. Tim and his friends enjoy to post all the nonsense we see on their blog. I mean I am serious. They enjoy it because it gives them satisfaction. It is the same when kids are making faces behind the teacher in the kinder garden. It is grumbling and letting the steam out. Nothing serious. A bunch of jokers... They deserve spanking, like mischievous kids. Ha-ha-ha!
ReplyDeleteDear Anonymous at 6:04 pm,
DeleteI do not think so. A threat on the Archbishop's life is not something to be joked about. Calling the NCW leaders "murderers" is also not something I find funny.
But saying that anyone outside of the NCW (or those with criticisms of the NCW) are "Judases, and their mission is to destroy and kill is ok, apparently. Hypocrisy much?
DeleteDear Anonymous at 11:30 pm,
DeleteKiko never said that everyone outside is a Judas. Kiko described who the Judases are. For example, Kiko said that it is someone who hates the community. There are people outside who do not hate the community. They are not Judases. Kiko also said that they are people who want to destroy the community. How prophetic. There are some people in the jungle who want to destroy the community. They call for our destruction. On the other hand, there are also people outside who can live alongside the NCW. They are not Judases.
"Kiko said that it is someone who hates the community"
DeleteYou mean "it is someone who criticises the community".
There is a difference, you know. Just because someone disagrees with a teaching of the NCW or can see a problem with it, doesn't mean they "hate" the community. But this is what you are told, and this is what you believe. It only confirms what we see as fanaticism.
It is possible to desire that the NCW be reformed and address its errors through love for people, Diana. All true reform in the Church occurs through and in love for people. Because you deny the possibility that error can exist in the NCW you can't understand that, and so you need to scapegoat those that can, by saying they "hate" and are therefor "Judases". How sad for you.
Dear Anonymous at 10:56 am,
DeleteDid you not read my comment just above yours?
ReplyDelete11.30pm JW folk do not want to destroy the community. You keep saying this Diana but I have never heard a JW person or CCOG talk of destroying community. JW CCOG are only happy to live and work alongside the way. Comments you make are what is damaging unity of church.
Dear Anonymous at 10:49 am,
DeleteThe call for the closing down of the RM seminary. They call for all NCW to be expel from the Catholic Church and to build a church of their own as if we are Protestants. They call for all RMS priests and seminarians to leave Guam. They label the NCW as an "evil cult". They call the Archbishop who walks in the Way "devil." They call for the removal of the Archbishop and for a non-Neo Archbishop to be install so the NCW can be expel from our parish. Some parishioners in Yona signed a petition banning the NCW from their parish. All these comments are coming from the jungle.
The NCW did not take over the parish. We are Catholic just like the Legion of Mary who is also in the parish.
AT 10:49 AM destroy the community. Maybe your puppet master TIM doses. the jungle nothing hate.
DeleteCatholics should be united not divided. I think part of the problem is not NCW rather imbalance of the Archbishop to unite fractions of our church resulting from his own imbalance to lead is. If Guam has a new bishop to lead who is not NCW things will be ok.
DeleteThose who question NCW are not Judases Diana.
ReplyDeleteDo you think Eileen BB. CNMI Lawyer Fr.Matthew Blockley are Judase's?
They are intelligent professionals.
They are rightfully question Kiko and the NCW.
intelligent professionals question religion.
They bring a new understanding to our church problems.
Dear Anonymous at 10:56 am,
DeleteThey did not question anything because they already made up their minds that the NCW is evil.
Thankyou Diana. Becomes clear who belongs to the Revoloution .
DeleteEileen bb, CNMI lawyer, Father Matthew Blockley
Best they move to live in Cuba with Castro. They can create their Revoloution in Cuba.
Even inside the community no one can question the catechist. The catechist has the ultimate word on everything. The moment you do that, they take the Obedience card out the moment you disagree. Everything is yes, yes, yes to the catechist. Right Susana.
ReplyDeleteDear Anonymous at 4:53 pm,
DeleteI ask my Catechists questions, and they answer to the best of their abilities. Also, I am not Susana.
ReplyDeleteDiana Deacon Martinez shares with readers he was forced to join the Way otherwise he would not be ordained. This sounds like one of the many direct threats archbishop made on a cleric . I dare you to answer this Diana. But I know you will not publish. NCW is an evil satanic communist movement like Adolfo Hitler at work in church of Guam. archbishop is just another Adolfo Hitler of Germany.
Dear Anonymous at 9:30 am,
DeleteThis was already answered a long time ago. My response is in the weblink below:
http://neocatechemunal.blogspot.com/2014/09/certain-deacons-misconception-other.html
Anon 9:43, I am sorry, but what you say here is retarded. What is your point? Deacon Martinez is not Adolf (sic!) Hitler. Nobody said that. The communists were killed in Cambodia a long time ago. Please, go back to your nest or retards and make them happy by agreeing with them in everything. Lol.
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