This is another Neocatechumenal Way song that I like. The title is called, "I Lift Up My Eyes To The Mountains". In the Holy Bible, the mountains is a place where one can find God. It was on Mt. Sinai where Moses met God who gave him the Ten Commandments. It was also on a mountain that Christ gave His life to redeem us.
Monday, June 16, 2014
I Lift My Eyes To The Mountains.
This is another Neocatechumenal Way song that I like. The title is called, "I Lift Up My Eyes To The Mountains". In the Holy Bible, the mountains is a place where one can find God. It was on Mt. Sinai where Moses met God who gave him the Ten Commandments. It was also on a mountain that Christ gave His life to redeem us.
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Wait til you mature a lil further there is more song that will make you weep. You have not learn the other mirian songs.
ReplyDeleteDear Anonymous at 6:37 p.m.,
DeleteYes, I was told that there are certain songs that we cannot sing yet because they are step songs. I love music, and I enjoy singing the songs of the Neocatechumenal Way. Another favorite song I like is "Go and Announce to My Brothers."
Take yourself and the other crazy Kikos to the mountains.
DeleteSo the songs are secret too, huh?
DeleteDear Anonymous at 7:07 p.m. and 8:17 p.m.,
DeleteI am allowing your comments through to show how the JWs on the other side are actually like.
The songs are not secret. They are step songs, just as I said. I never said they were secret. If you had read the Holy Bible, you will find that even the Apostle Paul used steps for those he converted into Christianity.
1 Corinthians 3:1-2 Brothers and sisters, I could not address you as people who live by the Spirit but as people who are still worldly—mere infants in Christ. I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready.
In Early Christianity every catechumen had to go through certain steps in their baptism. Therefore, they are STEP songs just as I mentioned in my comment above.
on the contrary, they are secret. if you are in a combined celebration the hosting community can only play the songs exposed to the newest community in attendance. Also only after 12 years are you allowed to pray the rosary..
Deletewho judges the readiness and levels of faith?
Dear Anonymous at 7:24 am.,
DeleteThey are step songs. The only ones who call them "secret" songs are those who oppose the Way. They call them "secret" because they have an agenda to destroy us and make us look like a cult. We say they are a step song, NOT a "secret" song. Furthermore, many of the songs in the Neocatechumenal Way (including some of the step songs like "Shema Israel') are on the Internet. So much for it being "secret" since these songs can be found on the Internet.
Who judges the readiness and levels of faith? It is the Holy Spirit who acts through the Church. In the same way, the Holy Spirit acted through the Apostle Paul to determine whether he should give the catechumens milk or meat.
It's the catechists who decide if you're ready for the next steps, to redo the step or go on
DeleteDear Anonymous at 9:50 a.m.,
DeleteThe Holy Spirit acts through the catechists. The Holy Spirit have always used people as His instrument to do His work.
Um..yet, the Church has indeed read these passages too and has made the normative Sacrament of Confirmation to be conferred at ones approaching age of adulthood, this then is wrong?
ReplyDeleteThe church in all of it's history, the one with the definitive lineage to St.Peter, has got it all wrong about it's conventions of Christianity?
You don't explicitly say it is wrong of course but you imply we need steps to be formative in faith and cite early Christianity as if the Church does not recognize or has lost the proper formation of Christianity.
Dear Anonymous at 7:51 a.m.,
DeleteEvery Christian needs to grow in faith. Growth is a process that can even come in different steps. Just as humans grow from an infant to adulthood through different steps or stages in the process, so it is with our faith. Faith also matures from infancy to adult or mature faith. This has always been taught since Early Christianity:
According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
CCC 1253 Baptism is the sacrament of faith. But faith needs the community of believers. It is only within the faith of the Church that each of the faithful can believe. The faith required for Baptism is not a perfect and mature faith, but a beginning that is called to develop. The catechumen or the godparent is asked: "What do you ask of God's Church?" The response is: "Faith!"
CCC 1254 For all the baptized, children or adults, faith must grow after Baptism. For this reason the Church celebrates each year at the Easter Vigil the renewal of baptismal promises. Preparation for Baptism leads only to the threshold of new life. Baptism is the source of that new life in Christ from which the entire Christian life springs forth.
And according to the Holy Bible:
1 Corinthians 10:15 Neither do we go beyond our limits by boasting of work done by others. Our hope is that, as your faith continues to grow, our sphere of activity among you will greatly expand,
i missed this, steps in their baptism? If the Holy Spirit is conferred then it's conferred, the child is now a child of God. But steps now how do you mean, they are only partially baptized?
Deletesorry, you are correct they are not secret as they are on the net, however they are withheld from being performed if a young community is present as is reading from the Psalms, censored if not secret?
Dear Anonymous at 9:55 a.m.,
DeleteI am the one walking in the Way, and we have never called those songs "secret." They are step songs. They are step songs because they are not taught those songs yet. These songs are not even censored because every cantor who has the booklet of cards have ALL the songs. But they cannot sing ALL the songs because they have not yet been taught ALL the songs. They are taught the songs a step at a time.
In baptism, the Holy Spirit plants the SEED of faith in you so that you become a child of God. However, as the Catechism of the Catholic Church says, that seed of faith planted in you must GROW after Baptism. The Catechism stated (Capitalization is my emphasis):
CCC 1253 Baptism is the sacrament of faith. But faith needs the community of believers. It is only within the faith of the Church that each of the faithful can believe. THE FAITH REQUIRED FOR BAPTISM IS NOT A PERFECT AND MATURE FAITH, BUT A BEGINNING THAT IS CALLED TO DEVELOP. The catechumen or the godparent is asked: "What do you ask of God's Church?" The response is: "Faith!"
CCC 1254 For all the baptized, children or adults, FAITH MUST GROW AFTER BAPTISM. For this reason the Church celebrates each year at the Easter Vigil the renewal of baptismal promises. Preparation for Baptism leads only to the threshold of new life. Baptism is the source of that new life in Christ from which the entire Christian life springs forth.
In other words, although we are made a child of God in our baptism, it does not end there. The SEED OF FAITH planted in us must grow, and they grow in steps.....which is what the Neocatechumenal Way is all about.
Hi Diana, I find it interesting that you were allowed to post these songs and the words. I've asked in my community if I could purchase the song cards that the community uses and was loudly told no. That I have to be a cantor in order to do it. I was told that I just have to listen first. I was even admonished that I can't record it as it is being sung. So, I've struggled and actually sang the wrong words because I have difficulty hearing through not just the accents, but the extended enunciations as it is sung. The songs are quite beautiful. Unfortunately it was my experience that because of my learning style, I didn't learn the song correctly as I can't just listen when I learn something, that I was laughed at. I didn't appreciate it, but I didn't strike back, nor have I gone behind my communities back to purchase the song cards. I have re-written some songs behind my envelopes as I hear them, but that doesn't help because my writing is difficult to read and again some words aren't enunciated as easily even in song. So, like my nature is one of needing to know...I'm wondering why you are able to post it. I'm grateful as now I actually have the words. And if you are able to post it, why am I 1) not allowed to record it and 2) not allowed to purchase it?
ReplyDeleteHard to believe...... Because you have to learn it by heart. Next. This is a fuel for argument and I can sense it by a mile. If you really want to know the song be a Psalmist.
DeleteWhat Community are you by the way??????
Hi DonaMila,
DeleteYou have to be a cantor to get the music cards. These music cards are not printed very often, but once they come in print, the cantors should be the first ones to obtain them, which is why they are reserved mainly for them.
I also have the same problem and would end up mispronouncing the words because I did not quite hear it clearly. However, because the songs are on the Internet with the words, I use the internet to learn the songs. Therefore, you can learn the words in the songs through the Internet. However, certain songs in your community cannot be sung yet, until you reach a certain step. When you reach that step, not only will they teach you the song, but the story behind the song. The story behind the song, which is not posted on the Internet is always interesting.
Dear Anonymous at 11:49 am.
DeleteI learned the songs by heart along with a lot of mistakes. :-) Do you know that song that we always sing before we begin preparation that goes like "Oh Lord, send forth your spirit to renew the face of the earth." Well, in the beginning, I was saying, "Oh Lord, send forth your spirit to renew the FAITH of the earth.".....until someone corrected me.
Diana the community member should take initiative to ask because all the songs are word of GOD. For example to much mature community member would ask not just sit there and do nothing. Otherwise is like announcing the word to FISH EYES. So as brother and sister in communication in communion it does not hurt to ask for clarification.
DeleteI hope this clear it.
Dear Anonymous at 12:44 p.m.,
DeleteI agree that it does not hurt to ask for clarification from the catechists. When we started out, the cantors in my community did not have any music cards and had to Xerox them. Today, all of them have the entire set of music cards.
DonaMila,
ReplyDeletesome cantors feel they are an exclusive group and hold on to such to maintain their exclusivity. I've heard, "i'm the head cantor". where no such designation exists.
Admonished for recording a song, that's just silliness and ignorance working. Check a cantors guitar bag, they almost all have handheld recorders if not smartphones.
Dear DonaMila,
ReplyDeleteHow many years have you been walking in the Way?