Good Friday is also just around the corner. I hope that some of the readers understand the point of my post. It would be best to simply ask a question if you don't understand anything.
We also celebrate Good Friday in the home, but the celebrations usually starts late until 9:00 p.m. or 9:30 after the Parish mass. We never hold our celebrations at the same time as the parish mass is going on. Communities who do not have a priest also do not have their celebrations at a different time. The reason being, the brothers would want to attend mass to receive the Eucharist on Good Friday. Afterwards, they would head to the home celebrations. By the time Good Friday mass is over, most people go home while many of the brothers walking in the Way head to the home celebration to listen more to the word of God.
These home celebrations is pretty much the same as the celebration of the Word that we normally have on Tuesdays or Wednesdays with some minor differences. It is also not a private celebration that the NCW decides to hold on their own. They follow the Statutes, which says:
The Church progressively initiates the neocatechumens into the catechetical and spiritual riches of the liturgical year, in which she "celebrates the whole mystery of Chirst."
The Easter Vigil is also not held at the same time as the parish Easter Vigil. The NCW Easter Vigil is much longer than the parish Easter Vigil. We stay up the entire night until Christ's resurrection. At the Easter Vigil, we also have baptisms. In the past Easter Vigil, we have had two former Protestants who joined the Catholic Church at our Easter Vigil.
Really. Do you not know that there is no Mass on Good Friday?
ReplyDeleteAlso, It is illicit for a parish to have more than one Paschal Candle and celebrate multiple Easter Vigils.
I don't think you are Catholic at all
Dear Anonymous,
DeleteYou are correct. I meant the Good Friday celebration in the parish. In the parish, they often have a procession. I always attend that first before the home celebration.
As for the Paschal Candle, we use the one in the Church. The Statutes says that the NCW can celebrate the Easter Vigil ( Chapter III, Section 2, Article 12) The Statutes has been approved by the Vatican since 2008.
I'm not surprise that you don't see me as Catholic. That is what our Catholic brothers who don't walk in the Way say about us all the time. But we are definitely Catholic.
The Statutes do not say the NCW may celebrate a separate Easter Vigil. In fact it says the following which implies that the NCW will participate in the parish Vigil: "3. In this way, the Neocatechumenate will stimulate the parish to have a richer celebration of the Paschal Vigil."
DeleteThere should be one Easter Vigil in the parish.
Dear Anonymous,
DeleteI already cited where in the Statutes the Neocatecumenate is to celebrate the Easter Vigil (Chapter III, Section 2, Article 12). According to the Statutes:
"It is for this reason that during the itinerary, the neocatechumenas are initiated gradually into an ever more perfect participation in all that the holy night signfies, celebrates and realizes."
The last one which you quote says that the Neocatechumenate WILL stimulate the parish. "WILL" means that we will be the ones to stimulate the parish. Those walking in the Way will be the ones to stimulate the parish Easter Vigil,...but first as the Statues say, we must be initiated gradually into it. Our Easter Vigil is much longer. It actually takes the whole night until the crack of dawn. So, in time, those walking in the Way will be the ones to stimulate the parish Easter Vigil. Who knows......we'll most likely stimulate it by proposing to have the Easter Vigil in the Parish to be an all night thing until the crack of dawn.
You are saying that the NCW Easter Vigil is just a vigil and not a celebration of the Eucharist? So what parish do these people get registered in who are baptized, confirmed and receive communion? The hotel is not a parish, the chancery is not a parish, the gym is not a parish. Why a separate baptism, confirmation, or communion when the local parishes have them on Easter Vigil too. Isn't this called segregation. I am a neocat, therefore I must receive the sacraments under the jurisdictions of the neocat way?
DeleteDear Anonymous,
DeleteThe Easter Vigil includes the Eucharist and Baptism (that is....if there is someone to be baptized). Each Neocatechumenal Way has a parish. For example, if a child was baptized in the Easter Vigil of the Neocatechumenal Way of Barrigada, the parish is San Vicente Church despite the fact that the Easter Vigil was held in the hotel.
You ask why do we have a separate baptism, Easter Vigil, Eucharist, etc.? Because the Statutes says that we can, and the Statutes was passed by the Vatican. The Way has an Easter Vigil (Chapter III, Section 2, Article 12) along with Baptism because it's part of the Easter Vigil, Eucharist (Chapter III, Article 13), Sacrament of Reconciliation/Penance (Chapter III, Article 14), The only thing we do not have is Confirmation and First Communion. According to the Statutes (Article 14), "The children are prepared for First Communion and for Confirmation in the parish and after their 13th year are invited to begin the Neocatechumenal Way.
If you are a member of the NCW, you do not need to receive the sacraments under the Way. You can go to regular mass like I do. I go to both the parish mass and the Way's mass. In fact, you can leave the community altogether if that is your desire.
Oh dear, if I am from Dededo. And my child is baptized at GMH, Dededo would have my certificate. The answer to that is No. I had to get my certificate at St. Anthony. The fact the these baptisms DO NOT take place in a parish aside from GMH which would be considered an emergency, does not become an individual parish. Rules again!
DeleteThere can be no greater display of disunity with the parish than for the NCW to have a separate Easter vigil. The community clearly does not belong to the parish, which, being the smallest unit of the Church, is one body.
ReplyDeleteIn fact, as you have just admitted, the community intends to replace the parish. Shame on you for losing your sense of the Church. You are a proud enemy in the ranks.
Dear Anonymous,
DeleteI was not the one who admitted that. I was quoting the Statutes. The Statutes DOES say that the Neocatechumenate will stimulate the parish to have a richer celebration of the Paschal Vigil. And again, the Statutes were approved by the Vatican. Perhaps, the Vatican simply wants to revitalize the regular parish church that has been losing so many members to the Protestants.
Once again you demonstrate a deep misunderstanding of your own statutes. Here is the full article on the Vigil:
ReplyDelete1. Axis and source of Christian life is the paschal mystery, lived and celebrated in a preeminent
way in the Sacred Triduum,42 whose brilliance fills the whole liturgical year with light.43
For this reason, it constitutes the fulcrum of the Neocatechumenate, since this is a rediscovery of
Christian initiation.
§ 2. “The Paschal Vigil, focal point of the Christian liturgy, and its baptismal spirituality
inspire all Catechesis.”44 It is for this reason that during the itinerary, the neocatechumens are
initiated gradually45 into an ever more perfect participation in all that the holy night signifies,
celebrates and realizes.
§ 3. In this way, the Neocatechumenate will stimulate the parish to have a richer celebration
of the Paschal Vigil.46
Number 1 says that the Paschal Vigil is important to the neocatechumenate.
Number 2 says that the neocatechumen will "participate" more and more over time in the Paschal Vigil and what it means.
Number 3 says that "IN THIS WAY" (my CAPS) - in other words, by participating more and more in the Vigil, the neocatechumenate will stimulate the parish.
Nowhere is it stated or implied that the NCW should celebrate the Vigil separately from the parish. Actually the third point suggests that it does not, but rather celebrates with the parish. The whole "neocatechumenate" idea has been perverted, and not only by you. But the Paschal Vigil existed before the NCW, and the NCW Statutes make reference to that.
The neocatechumenate is not a group or a movement, but rather a method of initiation designed to "foster in its recipients a mature sense of belonging to the parish" (Art. 6)." As such, it has no right or capacity to diminish the unity of the parish by a separate Paschal Vigil.
But you won't understand this, I know. You have invested so much in the Way that you couldn't extract yourself even if God Himself told you to. I will pray for you Diana.
Dear Anonymous,
DeleteAnd how did I misunderstand? If you look at the Statutes. Section 2 on Liturgy.....it mentions only the Paschal Vigil, Eucharist, and Penance. Those are the only three liturgies mentioned in the Statutes, which simply means that we are allowed to celebrate these three.
Baptism comes with the Easter Vigil. Under Section 2 on liturgies, Article 12 speaks about the Pascal Vigil. Article 13 speaks about the Eucharist, and Article 14 speaks about Penance or Reconciliation. We already have the permission from the Vatican to celebrate these three liturgies. Remember, the Statutes were already approved by the Vatican.
Baptisms belong in the Parish church as well as the other sacraments. Kiko sure knows how to manipulate.
DeleteDear Anonymous,
DeleteWe follow what the Holy See says. The Statutes were given to the Way and were approved by the Vatican. Those Statutes listed the Easter Vigil (which includes the Baptism in it), the Eucharist, and Reconciliation.
Anon April 1 Explain Blessed Diego conducting Baptism by the shore of Tumon? Is that heritical? Hmmmmm attacks and hate in your heart u have to think about.
ReplyDeleteThe continuing mantra of "approval by the Holy See". Yes,Kiko, et al, might be the Spanish version of L Ron Hubbard and Scientology. The deeper the followers go,the more secretive it becomes and the more "outsiders" are walled out. I am suffering this as I watch my daughter and her family disappear into the "way", which they began following 8 years ago.
ReplyDeleteDear Ruth Cochran,
DeleteI am sorry that you FEEL you have become an "outsider". No one can control how you feel or chose to suffer except yourself. Please do not blame Kiko Arguello or the NCW for bringing your daughter and her family to Jesus Christ. Our duty as Catholics is to bring everyone closer to Christ. Your daughter and her family have found something better. She and her family have found Jesus Christ. Nevertheless, I am sure that your daughter is praying for you.
Matthew 10:37 “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
"Please do not blame Kiko Arguello or the NCW for bringing your daughter and her family to Jesus Christ."
DeleteOh, that is priceless.