AnonymousNovember 15, 2016 at 2:49 PM
What's up Diana? No response to the TWO (count them 2!!) press conferences about the Yona property??
No response to Mother Dawn who revealed the LIES told by Brother Tony and Pius (who kept calling the Donor a "he" even though it was Mother Dawn)???
No response to to Fr Jeff who revealed that Archbishop Byrnes signed documents that made him the SOLE DIRECTOR of the Yona Property and returning it to the Archdiocese????
I'm waiting No response to Mother Dawn who revealed the LIES told by Brother Tony and Pius (who kept calling the Donor a "he" even though it was Mother Dawn)???
No response to to Fr Jeff who revealed that Archbishop Byrnes signed documents that made him the SOLE DIRECTOR of the Yona Property and returning it to the Archdiocese????
For three years, we have been telling you that the only one who can rescind the deed restriction is the Archbishop of Agana and his successor. If RMS was in control as the jungle and CCOG claimed, then Archbishop Byrnes would NOT have been able to rescind it. Now, the truth is exposed.
For three years, we have been telling you that the RMS property belonged to the Archdiocese of Agana. If it did not, Archbishop Byrnes would not have been able to rescind the deed restriction. Now, the truth is exposed.
For three years, we have been telling you that control of the property was always in the Archbishop of Agana and his successor. If control was in the RMS, Archbishop Byrnes would not have been able to remove the Board of Directors and the Board of Guarantors.....simple as that. Finally, the truth is exposed.
The truth is....Archbishop Byrnes is able to do those things because as we have always been saying ONLY the Archbishop of Agana and his successor have the authority and control. The authority and control was NEVER in RMS or the NCW, which the jungle have misled you to believe.
And if CCOG had taken it to court, they would have learned the hard way exactly what we have been telling them all along.....that ownership and control had always been in the Archbishop of Agana and his successor.
As for the donor, anonymous is saying that the donor is Mother Dawn. I would like to know how a Carmelite nun who took a vow of poverty had 2 million dollars in her possession? Father Pius is a Carmelite priest and he does not even have 2 million dollars. What a coincidence.......that Father Pius is a carmelite priest.
UPDATE:
This came from Father Jeff, which I copied from the jungle:
Fr. Jeff: "There has never been a dispute that the Archbishop of Agana was in charge of the Redemptoris Mater Seminary and its incorporation. That was never under dispute. "
This is why I never had any problems if CCOG had taken it to court. The dispute over the property was with CCOG. The authority and control had always been in the Archbishop of Agana and his successor. The truth has finally come out.
So why didn't Archbishop Apuron do what Archbishop Byrnes did today?
ReplyDeleteMaybe if Archbishop Apuron took the same action the sexual abuse allegations would have stayed under wraps. Maybe it worked out for the best.
Dear Anonymous at 4:24 pm,
DeleteWhy? Because Archbishop Hon would shut down the Seminary and sell it. Cardinal Filoni was never the boss of Archbishop Hon. Tim Rohr was wrong on that one. It was Cardinal Zhen (spelling) who was his boss, and it was Zhen who shut down the RMS Seminary in Hong Kong.
Only God knows. At least, the Seminary will not be closed under Archbishop Byrnes.
Even if AB Apuron rescinded the deed restriction, the sexual allegations would NOT under wraps. Their goal us to shut down the Seminary and sell it and destroy the Way. When Byrnes comes to Guam, they will pressure him to shut down the Seminary. That is next on their agenda.
DeleteDiana, this train has left you. No use to run after or quarrel. Archbishop Hon and Byrnes are victorious. They won this round.
DeleteRMS had poisoned Catholic life on Guam. Now, it is over for once and for all! Hon outsmarted everyone. Nobody thought he is so bright behind his grey suit. You were fooled by him, as well.
Try to refurbish your reasoning and tactic because this is just not working for you anymore.
Dear Anonymous at 7:20 pm,
DeleteThe deed restriction has been removed. What victory did you gain when we have been telling you all along that the only one who can remove it is the Archbishop of Agana and his successor. Archbishop knew this which is why he went to the successor. You were fooled by the jungle and CCOG.
Dear Diana,
DeleteMaybe 7:20 claims a victory because it has been done. It was requested of Apuron by CCOG, Hon, and even the Pope via the Congregation, but he fought it at every step.
Now it's done and even more--the RMS Board was fired and replaced. So the old guard of the NEOs was dismissed. Yes, the Seminary is still there---but I wonder how long before Kiko and Pius make the decision to take their business elsewhere since they are no longer in control.
Dear Anonymous at 9:20 pm,
DeleteKiko and Father Pius were never in control in the first place. God has allowed this to happen to show that truth.
If the Seminary shuts down, that has nothing to do with the Way. We still continue our walk. Our family have found Christ in the Catholic Church through the Way. And when you have Christ, it does not matter what they take? The reason for having the Way is to form true Christians.
The seminary will never be sold. That's just NEO propaganda like the casino.
DeleteDear Anonymous at 11:06 pm,
DeleteHave you listened to the jungle? How is it Neo propaganda when the jungle is the one saying to sell the Seminary?
Where? Post a screenshot of your proof.
DeleteDear Anonymous at 11:34 pm,
DeleteBelow is the weblink where you will that it is the jungle who proposed to selling the Seminary.
http://www.junglewatch.info/2015/05/thomas-tanaka-responds-to-marie-flor.html?m=1
Mother Dawn said at the press conference that she found a contact who gave her the money to donate to purchase the land. Didn't you watch it???
ReplyDeleteMother Dawn also said that when she confronted Archbishop Apuron about the letter in which there was the claim that the donor intended the Yona property to be used for RMS and BDI, the archbishop said that he didn't write it but that "Pius and they framed the letter."
Dear Anonymous at 4:39 pm,
DeleteAnd how did Mother Dawn even know that the Archdiocese was even looking for a place for a seminary? Who told her to look for a donor for a Seminary for the Archdiocese? Did she explained that part?
Dear readers,
DeleteI do not publish comments with name-calling and attacks on the person. Discuss the issue. You only heard one side of the story. You have not heard the other side yet. The reason why the donor does not know about RMS was because the donor was asked to pay off the Bank of Guam. The papers at the bank of Guam stated that the purchase was for a seminary. The name of the Seminary was not in the papers.
Msgr. David told her about the seminary... she said it in the press conference.
DeleteDear Anonymous at 5:37 pm,
DeleteAnd did you hear Monsignor David's side? I just got privy of some information that will come out very soon. ☺
Dear Anonymous at 5:37 pm,
DeleteAnd did you hear Monsignor David's side? I just got privy of some information that will come out very soon. ☺
The authority and control was never in RMS or the NCW?? Why then did Msgr Quitugua have to get Filoni's approval to allow visitors to the RMS?
ReplyDeleteDear Anonymous at 5:56 pm,
DeleteMonsignor David was the acting rector. Since Archbishop Apuron was unavailable, he simply got someone higher than Father Jeff. As acting rector, it is Monsignor David's duty to protect the Seminary. He simply did his duty. That is all he did.
WOW Diana. It sounds like you're saying Mother Dawn is lying. That's pretty LOW, even for you.
ReplyDeleteDear Anonymous at 6:08 pm,
DeleteWhere did I say that. I said that I had just come across some information that will be revealed soon. I always said there are two sides to every story.
Maybe 6:08 got it from reading what you wrote
Delete"And how did Mother Dawn even know that the Archdiocese was even looking for a place for a seminary? Who told her to look for a donor for a Seminary for the Archdiocese? Did she explained that part?"
Sounds like you don't believe her. In other words it reads like you think Mother Dawn is lying.
Dear Anonymous at 6:46 pm.
DeleteActually, it means that she left some parts out simply because she was unaware of them.
So, Diana , time for truth telling. Are you going to tell what she left out?
DeleteDid Father Pius ask her? He knows her. It is a possibiity
DeleteSo you can blame Diana for "calling" Mother Dawn a liar and that's its low? But you have no problems calling Archbishop a liar? That's pretty LOW, even for you.
ReplyDeleteYou keep saying 'we told you so, we told you so'....but what do you have to say about Pius and Apuron's attempt at deception?
ReplyDeleteDear Anonymous at 8:32 pm,
DeleteRemember....that I am one who would like to hear both sides of the story. I have not heard from Father Pius or Archbishop Apuron yet.
Yah right Diana. And we're to believe Father Pius or Archbishop Apuron after all that's been exposed about the NCW.
DeleteDear Anonymous at 8:51 am,
DeleteI never told you to believe anything. I said that there are two sides to every story. It is always best not to judge until all sides are heard.
Dear Diana,
ReplyDeleteI recall a few comments in this blog regarding a copy of a letter that Tim Rohr reportedly had stating that the donor did not know of the RMS so could not honestly state that the donation was for them---in response to Apuron's request to say that. Your response was always that Dr. Eusebio (or Apuron or Pius) said the donor did in fact donate for the RMS to use the property and that's why you believed the donation was made for RMS.
Now that you've heard the donor herself (not himself) has come forth and explained things, will you now believe? Or do you now have a problem with Mother Dawn Marie's statement? She didn't have the money but is considered the donor because she found people to give her the money to donate. So what she says regarding her intentions is the truth.
Dear Anonymous at 9:06 pm,
DeleteYou stated: "Now that you've heard the donor herself (not himself) has come forth and explained things, will you now believe?"
Okay...so Mother Dawn was the donor. I still would like to know how a Carmelite nun who took a vow of poverty had 2 million dollars in her possession.
Didn't you hear that Mother Dawn called by phone her Carmelite sister back in the mainland and explained the need for a seminary here in Guam.
DeleteI think Diana, you also have a problem. It is called 'selective hearing'.
Dear Anonymous at 11:52 pm,
DeleteThat still does not explain why she called herself "anonymous" or how they have 2 million dollars when they took a vow of poverty.
A nun's vow of poverty means that she as an individual cannot own anything herself and anything given her passes to her community. A monastery can own property, etc. and take in an income and accept donations. Mother Dawn Marie did not have two million dollars "in her possession"; the donation was from an organization, not an individual.
DeleteDiana, will Dr. Ric answer for us, or who will it be? this is terrible
ReplyDeleteDear Anonymous at 9:30 pm,
DeleteWhat is so terrible? God has shown the truth, and those who are not blind already see. Rejoice! Be glad that we are being persecuted for it brings us a little closers to Christ. Who can take away our happiness? ☺
They now see that the jungle and CCOG has misled them. They accused the NCW of controlling the RMS property, but we have always been saying that authority and control had always belong to the Archbishop of Agana and his successors. It was not the NCW or RMS that rescinded the deed restriction and disbanded the Board of Directors and Board of Guarantors. The one who had the authority and control was the one who did it. The truth has been exposed.
Yes, the truth has been exposed (just as Tim Rohr said) that Archbishop Apuron and Father Pius asked Mother Dawn to lie for them. Now why would they do this Diana?
DeleteDear Anonymous at 10:03 pm,
DeleteYou only heard one side. Did you hear what Father Pius and Archbishop Apuron say?
As long as I breath, I will not leave Barrigada!
DeletePas
Jokers Wild
Anon @ 1100pm: You forgot two things to add to your attempt of pretending to be the true JOKERS WILD.
DeleteIf you want to try again to be me try doing this...
Pas! (with an exclamation mark)
-Jokers Wild (with a signatory dash)
It did not take long for you to try and discredit the Carmelite nun who looked absolutely honest and credible giving her statement. It is absolutely no one's business where she and her benefactors received $2 million they "gifted" to the Archdiocese. Will you now insinuate that the Carmelites are now involved in some shady racket? It must be true that no good deed goes unpunished.
ReplyDeleteDear Anonymous at 10:36 pm,
DeleteSo what is wrong with asking where a nun got 2 million dollars in her possession? Why is it okay for others like you to question where the NCW got its money and wrong for me to ask how a nun who took a vow of poverty became a 2 million dollar donor?
Listen to her interview. She said that she called the convent in the mainland.
DeleteDear Anonymous at 11:12 pm,
DeleteShe did not donate the money, so why is she saying that she is the Anonymous person?
It is called, when you give, do not advertise. Be like the widows mite.
DeleteDear Anonymous at 7:38 am,
DeleteYet, she did advertise.
So what will happen to the Seminary?
ReplyDeleteDear Anonymous at 11:20 pm,
DeleteNothing. The Seminary remains the RM Seminary and will continue to operate as the RM Seminary.
Question...Why now does Mother Dawn speak and not much sooner?
ReplyDeleteIt is because cloistered Carmelites rarely go out of the cloister and be asked for interviews. She did it because she has already have how toxic the situation is and thus the reason they are leaving the island.
DeleteIt is for the good of the Church.
Dear Anonymous at 11:58 pm,
DeleteToxic?????? That is an exaggeration. The Catholic Church had gone through worse things than this.
Question...Why now does Mother Dawn speak and not much sooner?(Puzzling) @anon 4:24pm...Interesting comment almost sounds like: "then we wouldn't have had to run ads, bring out (or should I say pay for) accusations had you done what we wanted." In the end, all of us will have to answer to God for all we say and do...Advent soon approaching, "MARANATHA" let us not grow weary or impatient. The Triumph of Justice can be relied on because GOD IS FAITHFUL! Prayers for Archbishop Anthony Apuron and Coadjutar Archbishop Michael Byrnes.
ReplyDeleteGod is also not sleeping
DeleteHistory has turned it's page on the NCWs' reign on Guam.
ReplyDeleteThe NCW is still here. 🙄 We are being persecuted, thanks be to God. Christ said they will persecute us just as he was persecuted, so that's no surprise.
DeleteOh please! the discovery of skulduggery is not a persecution.
DeleteDear Anonymous at 9:46 am,
DeleteOH please....the slander and lies told against us is persecution. As I said, we have been saying all along that only the Archbishop of Agana and his successor has the authority and control. Archbishop Hon could not rescind it because he is not the Archbishop of Agana nor the successor. Father Pius came out and opposed it because Hon does not have the authority. The Board of Directors and Board of Guarantors also could not do it because they never had the authority and control. Now, that Archbishop Byrnes rescinded the deed restriction, do you see Father Pius or any of us opposing it????? Of course not. As we have always been saying...ONLY the Archbishop of Agana and his successor has the authority and control. RMS had always been under the Archdiocese of Agana.
The jungle and CCOG lied to you. CCOG has been threatening lawsuit for over a year while they collect money from their members for a lawsuit. All during that time instead of bringing it to court, they have been looking for ways to avoid court. Now, do they get to keep the monetary collection, which was supposed to go for a lawsuit?
At the LFM meeting it was reported that CCOG had pledged to help the Archdiocese get the Yona property back by donating money to retain a lawyer. They already gave the Archdiocese at least one check.
DeleteDear Anonymous at 1:39 pm,
DeleteAnd the Archdiocese took the money knowing that the property was already under the Archdiocese of Agana?
Do you honestly think that pius isn't fuming or that Adrian isn't opposing his reassignment to umatac behind closed doors? Or maybe edivaldo is doing fist bumps when he thinks no one is watching. You neos aren't being persecuted because the lies that have been told are being exposed. So yes, the TRUTH will always come out and it's still coming out. Hopefully soon you all will come back down to reality and realize that "yea, ROME IS LISTENING" to all our issues.
DeleteIronic how the new coadjutor was very quick to remove the deed restriction and disband that neo board at RMS. Now let's see if quitugua will close the doors of RMS on the laity again. And no worries if you don't post this cause I know you neos are fearful of the REAL TRUTH and think you're being persecuted.
Dear Anonymous at 2:01 pm,
DeleteHe rescinded the deed restriction because he was misled into believing that the church will lose the property if he did not act immediately.
Misled? It was lost to begin with to the NCW. The archdiocese may own the property but they DID NOT own the RIGHTS to use the property because of the DEED RESTRICTION which was placed on there. That's a huge difference. But I'm sure you can't seem to understand that or refuse to acknowledge that.
DeleteWhy should the RMS only be used for the NCW when it should be used at the direction to benefit the ENTIRE Catholic Church. What makes the NCW more special that they need a hotel for themselves?
So please, Diana, it's not right that you and the NCW twist the facts and not take any responsibility for the divide on this island. The truth really has come out and it'll continue to come out as long as the NCW continues to not take any responsibility for the influence they've caused on this diocese.
Dear Anonymous at 2:40 pm,
DeleteLet me put it to you in simple terms. If I actually gave away my car, that means I no longer own it. Someone else owns it. If I wanted my car back, do you think I could push the new owner aside and take the car back? No. It does not work that way. The new owner would have to give it back to me.
The reason Archbishop Byrnes was able to push aside the Board of Directors and Board of Guarantors was because the property was never given away. The fact that the two boards are members of the Way means nothing. They could be members of the Knights of Columbus, but the owner, authority, and control was always the Archbishop of Agana.
Diana, the car's title remains with you but there is a restriction that only your neighbor can use it. Today or tomorrow? One week or for a month? No! In perpetuity! What would you do?
DeleteDear Anonymous at 4:05 pm,
DeleteBecause I am the owner and therefore in control, I can remove that restriction "in perpetuity." Archbishop Byrnes already demonstrated that.
Diana, you gave an example of "giving away your car" yet you left out a condition that only a certain person can drive that car (deed restriction). So as long as that DEED RESTRICTION existed, no one else can drive that car. The coadjutor, had he not acted, the statue of limitations would've made that "deed restriction" permanent. Therefore limiting the use to just the RMS and no other catholic entity, forever.
DeleteIt doesn't take more then common sense to realize that. The coadjutor wasn't misled as you say he was. By law there is a statute of limitation and just like any case, once that time has come, there is no changing it. So in enssence, the coadjutor would never be able to lift that deed restriction if he had missed that deadline.
Are you seriously going to deny that truth? All the people who were involved have come out and spoken the truth and while you say it's only one sided, the other side HAS been offered time to respond but they are either hiding or the refuse to reply back to the media.
Again, I know you have no solid answers and probably will refuse to post this. But if you truly believe in the truth, why are you ignoring the facts from the people who WERE DIRECTLY INVOLVED? What does the carmelite mother have to gain by coming out with the truth? I mean lets be honest here cause I know you have no answers to refute the truth.
But in order to do that, he had to dismiss the board and appoint himself as the new board. Then, as the "Board" of the RMS, the new Archbishop was able to deed back the use of the property away from RMS to the Archdiocese.
DeleteNow, if Arch Byrne (acting as the new RMS board) could grant deed the RMS interest in the property back to the Archdiocese, then this is exactly what the former board could have done.
But no. Too proud for that. Too "obedient". And so, now there is no RMS Board. They are all gone.
And you, Diana, want to call this a success? A work of God?
If the Board had done as it was asked by Hon et al, they would still be there, the property would be back with the Archdiocese and the NCW would be better off than it is now.
Basically, the leaders of the NCW are sneaky but not very bright.
Wouldn't it have been wiser simply to do what was asked of them
Dear Anonymous at 5:04 pm,
DeleteAnd being the OWNER of that car, I do have the right to say who should use it. And even if the statutes of limitations was passed, I can still rescind the restriction because I am the owner. We have always told you that the authority and control have always been the Archbishop of Agana, but the jungle fooled you.
Dear Anonymous at 5:11 pm,
DeleteTim fooled you again. The Board of RMS cannot dismiss itself and then declare itself a Board of RMS. That does not even make any sense. Why would you dismiss yourself as a Board only to declare yourself a Board again? The reason Archbishop Byrnes was able to get rid of the Board was because he was the corporation sole of RMS.
You can't just give away your car unless you outright sign the pink slip over to recipient. That was Apurons intent, however there was still a lien for said vehicle. Once that lien was fulfilled, then the recipient would then be the new owner. Same difference.
DeleteDear Anonymous at 8:26 pm,
DeleteIf I intend to give away my car, I would sign it over. If I do not intend to give it, the car is still mine. By the same token, because Archbishop Byrnes was able to do what he did, then it is logical to conclude that Archbishop Apuron did not give the property away, which also reflects his intention.
Let's say that the car is still owned by the bank. You hold the registration and continue to pay for it regardless that it doesn't belong to you just yet. Once you're all caught up and pay off the loan, the bank then gives you the pink slip to convey the title to you. It is yours to do what ever you want, right? But little did you know that the title had a clause that was done in secret that said you could not do anything to it. That's what happened to the seminary because of Apuron's sneaky tactics that not even the registered owner (Archdiocese of Agana) knew about until they asked to see the contract.
DeleteDear Anonymous at 9:02 pm,
DeleteNo matter how you try to tell the story, the truth is....Archbishop Apuron NEVER gave away the property to RMS or the NCW. Archbishop Byrnes dissolved the two boards of RMS is already an irrefutable FACT that authority and control was never in RMS or the NCW.
Dear Diana--
DeleteYes, the property was never 'given away'. And the Arch Diocese sort of still had control via Arch Apuron. BUT, the use of the property was given to RMS 'in perpetuity' by Arch Apuron.... So, until that was rescinded they had full control over it. AND since RMS is a Seminary that is NCW-- well, the control was in NCW hands! AND since the Board was comprised of all NEOs, then again it shows that control was in NCW hands. Furthermore, since Apuron is a NEO and fully entrenched in the NCW, it's obvious to everyone that the property was under the control of the NCW.
Yes, you always said that the property was never given away so there was nothing to give back. You can take credit for that, for sure. But, I guess Arch Byrnes agreed with what CCOG and LFM had been protesting all along. (And please don't say he was 'misled'---that's an insult to his intelligence! I'm quite sure he did his homework!!)
Dear Anonymous at 7:02 am,
DeleteYou say that there was nothing to give back? That is false. Some of those priest's are now priest's in our church in Guam. And we send our youth on WYD to see the pope....something you never did.
Byrnes has never set foot on Guam, and he only heard one side...the side Hon has been telling him and therefore misled by Hon. Once he settles on Guam, he will hear all sides.
Remember, we were the ones who got Hon out. Hon was not happy that we announced the new bishop first before he did. To get back at us, he misled Byrnes into rescind ingredients the deed restriction.
Nevertheless, RMS will operate as it always does with no changes to it. The Artocles of incorpoation removed the board, but the life and study of the seminarians remain unaffected. When Byrnes learns about what RMS is actually about, he will be impressed where our enemies have been jealous. Byrnes favors the new evangelization, which is what the NCW is all about. The jungle nation, on the other hand, does not even evangelize.
You misunderstood. When I said there was 'nothing to give back', I just meant that since the property was never given away, it didn't need to be given back--just as you have been saying.
DeleteAs far as Byrnes is concerned---do you honestly believe he'd make decisions without looking at the whole picture?? Regardless of what he was told by Hon, I'm sure he had to look into things himself to find out just what the heck is going on here. Please give him SOME credit!
And yes...he does favour evangelization. But perhaps he sees it happening differently?
Diana @ 7:27 I'm not sure that "RMS will operate as it always does with no changes to it" because the jungle said Articles of Incorporation for RMS were amended to this
DeleteARTICLE III. PURPOSE The purpose of the Corporation shall be to establish and conduct a House of Formation to prepare men for the priesthood, in accordance with the precepts of the Holy Roman Catholic faith.
The old Article III said
ARTICLE III. PURPOSE The purpose of the Corporation shall be limited to the following: to establish and conduct a Seminary to prepare men for the evangelization, following the life and itinerary of the NEOCATECHUMENAL WAY as a way of formation in accordance with the precepts of the Roman Catholic faith.
Is there a difference between a Seminary (like RMS) and a House of Formation?
The new Article III doesn't say anything about the Neocatechumenal Way. It sounds like there could be a change at RMS so that it won't be teaching about the Neocatechumenal Way and that what it teaches could even be for the seminarians at the JP2 Seminary in Malojloj who don't want to join.
Dear Anonymous at 10:34 am,
DeleteThe church leader said that the RMS will continue to operate as usual. There is no changes. "Followng the life and itinerary of the Neocatechumenal Way" consist of prayers, bible study, community, Eucharist, evangelizing in two by twos or through the Great Mission. All these are Catholic.
Diana, CCC tells you what is Catholic and what is not.
DeleteTwo by two evangelization is borrowed from Protestants and Jehovists who developed the method historically. The two by two message is an oversimplified message of the blanket "love" of God for humanity. Many people consider it an infringement on the privacy of homes.
Why should serious people with a serious vocation do two by two evangelization? Archbishop Byrnes and the Alpha evangelization does not do two by two, according to the Detroit Catholic website.
Diana @ 1:53 PM of course the Archdiocese took the money. They needed to hire a lawyer to draw up the paperwork to get this mess cleaned up. CCOG helped to pay that expense.
DeleteCCOG also paid the lawyer who went to look at the papers at the chancery before they were hidden from the public.
CCOG said that the donors would be receiving a portion of their contributions back because the money was being collected for the lawsuit. Some money has already been spent. So the donors will get part of the balance back.
Diana @ 1:53 PM it looks like the Archdiocese took the CCOG money so that Archbishop Byrnes can file a lawsuit against RMS/RMHF. And he did file a lawsuit on 11/18.
Deletehttp://www.kuam.com/story/33778301/guams-new-bishop-files-documents-in-court
Diana, it is time to come back to our church buildings for Eucharistic mass. I have always told you that the most beautiful place to worship God is his holy temple, the church. Rather than trapping yourself into self-repetition, you should demonstrate your unity with us by coming back to our churches.
ReplyDeleteDear grow up in faith,
DeleteI never left the church building. I have told you several times that I attend both the Saturday Eucharist in the Way and the Sunday Mass.
Attending the Sunday mass in the back of the church during regular Catholic Church services is not attending Sunday mass.
DeleteHave you read comment 8.16am other blog. Mother Superior is viewed as a saint. Our community described as darkness sin. Archbishop Hon do you see the problem. The way is being persecuated in disturbing language. Nuns are made saints.
ReplyDeleteDisturbing .
I know of someone in the Way that says Apuron is a saint. . . hyperbole for sure.
DeleteI read Anon 8.16 statement.
ReplyDeleteforwarded to Archbishop Hon.
showed persecuation of our communties . NCW identified with darkness sin. Comment references God absent in NCW communties. Comment shows clear persecuation towards our way of life.
Diana, for the sake of Church Unity we need to close down RMS. we need to stop anymore communties being formed. We need ncw members to return to the real mass in parish church. we need to remove title of Apuron. Lastly, we need to make sure Anthony Apuron will never be laid to rest in cathedral basilica.Our Mission is to restore unity to our church. For unity we need to terminate ncw for good. This is how we build unity.
ReplyDeleteDear Anonymous at 3:19 pm,
DeleteIt is ironic that CCOG demands the deed restriction to be rescinded so the church will not lose that property. Now that it is rescinded, you will see the church lose that property. It starts with closing down the Seminary as you proposed. Then they will sell it. You also proposed the destruction of the NCW, and you call that unity?
Wow Diana @3:29 PM can you really say that the church will lose the Yona property now that the Deed Restriction has been removed???
DeleteSo what if RMS is closed down and the property is used as a minor Seminary for people like Aaron Quitugua and Junee Valencia who want to be priests without joining NCW and who want to be formed like Fr. Richard Kidd or Fr. Andre Eduvala or even Fr. Tom McGrath? Would that be so bad?
So what if RMS is closed down and the property is used as a high school to take the place of St. Thomas Aquinas where the students were getting an education superior to those at the other Catholic high schools?
So what if RMS is closed down and the property is used for another group besides the NCW?
I keep reading that your people think Tim Rohr will get money from the sale of this property or that he will work to get a casino operating. But he doesn't sell property and he has never shown interest in casinos.
I think you and your people need to stop and take a deep breath.
Guam was fine before RMS and it will be fine if Archbishop Byrnes decides to close RMS for a new and improved purpose.
Relax.
Dear Anonymous at 2:41 pm,
DeleteThe jungle, CCOG, LFM, and the protestors will be calling for the selling of the property. They would rather sacrifice that entire property than to close down their parishes to pay for the sexual abuse victims.
Dear Diana at 8:20--
DeleteI see that as a possibility. But, really, would that be so bad? I'd rather lose that property than any church or school.
Diana the focus is now on Unity of our church . Anon 3.19pm introduces a plan of action to restore unity to a now deeply divided Archdiocese.
ReplyDeleteMay I appeal to your good heart to please work for unity.
Mother Dawn and her nuns left guam because your camp led by Pius Apuron forced the monastery to close. With those local vocations sent to Morristown NJ Carmel could have been saved.
we now also know carmel morristown NJ is not even an authentic carmel monastery recognized by the carmelite federation. It is a fake monastery not even acknowledged by the local bishop or by Rome. It is a sham monastery where our local vocations that were stolen were sent locked up.
I believe our guam girls locked up in morristown monastery are in a prison unable to leave or escape. Im told two want to leave return to Guam but were locked in their rooms unable to leave. one even looks malnourished. This is all because of Pius.
Dear Anonymous at 6:11 pm,
DeleteYour plan of action to restore unity requires our death. So, rather than trying to get along with us, you want us to die.
Dear anonymous at 3:19 and 6:11 pm, I do not agree with you. I had consistently criticized NCW and its practices. Diana is throwing our many of my comments. But I am not a radical, mindless opponent of them. I requested more than a year ago that NCW communities return to our churches for Eucharistic celebrations. That would be the real unity of the Church of Guam!
DeleteHowever, what you propose is simply outrageous! You don't have any right to talk to people like that. NCW members are our sisters and brothers in Christ and we should never ever aim for an elimination of them from among us! Rather, we should reintegrate them to the Holy Catholic Church by bringing them back to the parish community. They are not a special sect, they are Catholics so their place is among their Catholic brethren in the parishes!
The NCW mass is criticized but nobody has ever shown that it was illegal or heretic. You cannot terminate it! Who are you to do that or propose that?! Are you completely insane? NCW mass should be integrated into the Sacred Space of the parish church. That would do the job we all want to accomplish in peace.
You cannot close the RMS and cannot stop the NCW communities from forming. It is their prerogative to grow. Archbishop Michael Byrnes will reform the RMS, no question about it, perhaps relocate it, but he will never close it. Why on earth would he close the RMS?!
So please, back off with your aggression. You have to respect the unique charism of the NCW that had been approved by the Roman Catholic Church. Even if you do not agree with their followers.
Morristown is recognized by Rome. Strictly under control of Fr Pius.
Delete8.23pm. Thankyou for the comment.
ReplyDeleteAfter much prayer reflection it is my firm belief for the sake of Church Unity to now contain ncw as was done by Archbishop soc in PI.
Ultimately, Archbishop Byrnes will decide. However, I believe the ncw is a danger to our church, it breaks unity, degrades family life.
I believe we need to close down RMS as a part of the process to restore order and unity to our church
The way has shown itself to be dysfunctional evil and destructive. It has no part in our church on Guam. In a constructive way we needto unite return the church to moral and ecclesial order.
This calls for closing down rms which must be the next step.
By all means rent a house in umatac for your bread service.
Time for radical change. That means to bring an end to ncw on Island. I'm sorry but a destructive movement has no place anymore on Island.
Dear Anonymous at 9:24 pm,
DeleteThe truth is....those who want us eliminated is a danger to Christianity and humanity. Those who are willing to eliminate a group of people have no love in them. Those who seek destruction of others are not of Christ. Christians are persecuted. They are not supposed to be the persecutors who seek the destruction of others.
@9:24, I walk in the Way and these are things I do in my walk- pray the morning prayer, read the Bible and listen to the word of God, attend the Eucharist and monthly convivience. My teenage children went to WYD to see the pope. They attend the scrutacio where they read the Bible. These things are not destructive and haven't harmed anyone. What hurts you is not what we do in the Way, it's your hatred of us that hurts and bothers you.
DeleteDear Anon at 11:13--
DeleteUnfortunately the extreme measures taken by the leaders on both sides are what is causing the hatred. I know of some parishes in the states where there is no such division--the NCW walkers attend Mass but also have their special services. The non-Neos don't make them feel unwanted. They do things on special occasions TOGETHER as Catholics.
The problem here is that brother tony is suppose to be a bishop for ALL Catholics on island. Instead, HE favored one over the other and then the NCW leaders got greedy and rushed to rid anyone who didn't believe in "the way". This is what created the "toxic" environment within the archdiocese. We all know that brother tony threw many good priests and faithful volunteers under the bus trying to cover up the deed restriction on the RMS hotel. This too was in contradiction to how the use of the property was to be fulfilled.
DeleteThing about all this is that the NCW will never admit their faults in any of this division which is why everyone is upset. Too many false lies, cover ups and takeovers. But we all agree that God has spoken and Rome has RESPONDED.
ear Anonymous at 7:56 am,
DeleteThe truth is the other got so jealous of their brother and removed their father, hoping to get another Father to lavish his attention on him. When God gave them Hon, they could not recognize him as one of their own and told him to go home.
We, on the other hand, wrote letters of complaint and within a month got him removed. Notice also that we did not have to bring any sexual allegation against him to oust him out.
And there you have it, folks.
DeleteAnon @ 7:56AM and Diana @8:19AM have just stated the positions of both sides that pretty much describes it!
AB Byrnes: Just how do you propose to get these two to come together??? God help us all!!
Truth exposed? Here is some:
DeleteYou laud Archbishop Byrnes and recognize his authority? It was Archbishop Byrnes, with a few swipes of his pen, who systematically removed the Neocatechumenal Way as a formation of the seminarians at RMS. Archbishop Byrnes abolished the Board of Guarantors, who were ONLY allowed to be NCW leaders. Archbishop Byrnes is cleaning house and he has started with the dismantling of corrupt influence of the NCW, via the Board of Guarantors and Board of Directors, at the seminary in Yona.
To the person who thinks that we "hate" those walking in the Way, stop listening to those who are your supposed leaders. They feed you that lie because they want to distract you from discovering the immoral and unethical methods they use. Methods that Archbishop Byrnes most likely has recognized as he begun to rid the Archdiocese of it starting with the removal of the NCW leadership's formation and caustic influence from the RMS.
We love all persons, which includes ALL who are walking in the way, even the flawed leadership of the NCW as God commands us. We detest your NCW leadership's adverse actions and sins they have levied on this island and on you. We pray for you; always.
I have placed my name to this comment. Have some courage; return the same respect and courtesy to respond to me with yours. You have nothing to fear if you face these issues with truth through transparency.
Dear Jose,
DeleteThe seminarians are still attending the Eucharist and celebration of the word with us. As our church leaders said, RMS will continue to operate as it always does. The Articles of Incorporation only took out the two boards. It did not take out the Neocatechumenal Way. Why? Because the NCW still continues to maintain the upkeep of the seminary, and the seminarians are still attending the celebration of the word and Eucharist with the NCW communities. You cannot erase what is Catholic. According to news report:
"While the governance has changed the administration and the day-to-day operation has not changed," said Father San Nicolas.
http://www.kuam.com/story/33709637/2016/11/Tuesday/archdiocese-takes-back-control-of-seminary
ReplyDeleteGood evening 9.24pm.
May I ask why you do not like the way?
is it our practices?
or our members you dislike?
I would like to help you.
Actually it's not an elimination of "the way", but an elimination of tying yourselves to the true Catholic Church. Nothing says that the NCW can't start their own church with their own beliefs or ways. Many other religions have done it without having to circumvent or infiltrate others beliefs. The TRUTH has already been exposed and the efforts to create a toxic environment within the Catholic Church in Guam was exposed and now Rome has responded through its coadjutor and through archbishop hon. Just like we have to accept that trump is our new president elect, you all have to accept that the NCW is on its way out but encouraged to start their own church.
ReplyDeleteDear Anonymous at 6:20 am,
DeleteFirst of all, I voted for Trump. My political view has always been conservative. I simply do not like Trump's filthy mouth.
The Pope sees us as Catholic; therefore, you have to accept that.
Just wait. We will see, how selective groups, for some crazy reason believe that the church hierarchy can be conformed to themselves. They will replace Hon's name with Byrnes ("a white person as that") on their signs. They call themselves concerned, catholics, laity (the faithful, people of God through Baptism) who call for crucifixion of their Archbishop, basically. They want justice, they want blood..It all started with corrupt and evil intentions from some clergy in this archdiocese. That never bent their will to their superior and still haven't. Those clergy still pastor over the people of Guam. Sowing their bad seeds. Some of you are writing on these blogs while while the people (youth especially) of your villages are killing themselves. But that truth, that reality doesn't surface on PDN, NEWS or The POST. God's Justice will prevail in His time.
ReplyDeleteIn regards to due process, they were given their due, when AB Hon "requested that all priests tender their resignation". So that gave them 3 months notice of AB Hon's intent to move them.
ReplyDeleteWhoa Diana! Tim Rohr finally admitted that you did more in a few days than he did in 3 years!! There's a post "Damn, You're Good, Diana" and Tim Rohr says:
ReplyDeleteYou know, Diana, I really have to hand it to you. You were able to do something in a matter of a few days that I couldn't get done after three years.
I haven't read the whole article but I just had to share.
WTG!!
http://www.junglewatch.info/2016/11/damn-your-good-diana.html
Diana is not May. I'm a parishioner of Chalan Pago, and May didn't go to WYD. Diana is Jackie Terlaje.
DeleteDear Anonymous at 11:22 am,
DeleteYou are correct. I am not May. But I am also not Jackie.