From my last few posts, we can safely conclude that the Pacific Daily News is favoring Tim Rohr, Chuck White, and his followers. Now, let us look at other fantasy news found in the jungle. The following was posted by Tim Rohr on Saturday, August 9, 2014 in Junglewatch under his post "Urgent! You Disgust The Church." Notice the date that Tim Rohr reportedly said he saw Father John at the airport.
7/30/14 - I happened to be at the airport with my mom for a flight to the States. Storm coming, so United was going to leave for Narita one hour early, at 11AM. Big crowd of seminarians and other Neos hugging, kissing, pay great homage to a man......
And guess what else?
A man dressed in civilian clothing was spotted out of the corner of my eye. Hey that looks like Fr John Wadeson! He’s still here? I thought he already left the country. Oh, I see, they all lied, again. What a surprise!
(HIGHLIGHTED BY TIM)
If Wadeson was indeed hiding at the seminary, waiting to be rescued by Gennarini, while Archbishop Apuron allowed us all to believe that Wadeson had "left the country" then IT IS NOW TIME FOR ROME TO ACT.
Archbishop Krebs needs to be immediately notified. He is to ask Archbishop Apuron ONE QUESTION:
Where was Wadeson between July 23 when, according to Father Pablo Rodriguez, the rector of RMS, Wadeson was supposed to have "left the country" and July 30 when he was reported to be seen on a flight from Guam with Giuseppe Gennarini. Here is the exact quote from the Pacific Daily News on July 24:
"Wadeson left yesterday morning, said Father Pablo Ponce, rector of the Redemptoris Mater Seminary. where Wadeson had been staying."
If Archbishop Krebs discovers that Wadeson had in fact NOT left Guam as Father Pablo stated and Archbishop Apuron led us to believe, then Rome must FIRE BOTH and disband the seminary that is looking more and more like a den of iniquity. And get rid of Pius while you're at it.
For if all this turns out to be true, then this post is most aptly titled. Post titled: URGENT!! "YOU DISGUST THE CHURCH!"
Tim and his followers constantly kept accusing the Neocatechumenal Way members of lying. It appears to me that they may be looking at the mirror and seeing themselves being reflected. They kept deflecting their sins to the Neocatechumenal Way.
Father John Wadeson did leave on July 23rd. This is very easy to confirm. In fact, Tim could easily confirm it himself. After all, he managed to confirm whether the Archbishop was on a flight and his seat number on the plane in a previous comment under one of his posts.
All these false accusations about Father John being hidden in the seminary are fodder for fantasy movies, but not for reality. Or is it simply a serious case of psychosis?? Psychosis occurs when a person loses contact with reality. The person have false beliefs about what is taking place. The person have delusions or hallucinations, seeing and hearing things that are not there.
After all, they even accused Melannie of being the Archbishop, and they were so certain of it. And of course, there is this delusion of Father John at the airport. By the way, why did Tim wait so long to reveal this "scoop? He claimed to have seen Father John on July 30th, and he published this fantasy news on his blog on August 9th, a full ten days later!!
LOL! Diana, can't you read?! That info came from a former neo and frequent commenter on the JungleWatch blog! Tim is not the one making the claim. I think it's YOU who suffers from this psychosis!
ReplyDeleteDear Anonymous at 8:29 pm.
DeletePlease go back and re-read it again, but this time very slowly. This is what Tim stated at the very top of his blog (Capitalization is my emphasis):
Received this from "Glad to be Back in Holy Mother Church". IT VERIFIES MANY THINGS ALREADY MENTIONED ON THIS BLOG.
•Archbishop Apuron is not in control.
•All decisions are made for this archdiocese, including who becomes a priest at RMS, by Giuseppe Gennarini, the lead "responsible" for the NCW in the United States. Gennarini is Fr. Pius' immediate superior, and Fr. Pius is the Archbishop's immediate superior. Gennarini's immediate superior is Kiko. This is the hierarchy controlling our church on Guam!
•Both Fr. Paul and Msgr. James were fired at Kiko & Gennarini's order.
•Fr. Wadeson DID NOT "leave the country". At the time I thought this was an extremely odd thing to say. It was as if he was trying to throw us off as to his whereabouts. Some knew he remained in hiding at the seminary. In fact, according to this account, HE WAS.
•If this turns out to be true then Fr. Pablo Rodriguez, the rector of RMS, and Archbishop Apuron LIED.
So, one of those things Tim Rohr mentioned that is VERIFIED on his blog is that Father John did not leave the country and was hiding out in the seminary.
Did you notice....Anonymous at 8:29 p.m. that Tim Rohr stated the following from his list of VERIFABLE FACTS:
Delete•Fr. Wadeson DID NOT "leave the country". At the time I thought this was an extremely odd thing to say. It was as if he was trying to throw us off as to his whereabouts. Some knew he remained in hiding at the seminary. In fact, according to this account, HE WAS.
And then toward the end of his post, Tim Rohr riles up everyone saying that Archbishop Krebs need to be notified!! So, even if it came from a former Neo, Tim Rohr believed that delusion without even checking whether it was true or not. He labeled his delusion as VERIFABLE FACTS, when actually it was fantasy news.
Tim also say's "if this is true"
DeleteDear Anonymous at 7:15 a.m.,
DeleteI find it fascinating that his followers would do anything to protect their leader Tim Rohr rather than look at the issue.
This is what Tim Rohr wrote in his list that he already claimed was VERIFIED:
•Fr. Wadeson DID NOT "leave the country". At the time I thought this was an extremely odd thing to say. It was as if he was trying to throw us off as to his whereabouts. Some knew he remained in hiding at the seminary. In fact, according to this account, HE WAS.
Did you notice the last sentence, Anonymous??? Tim said, "IN FACT, ACCORDING TO THIS ACCOUNT, HE WAS. So, Tim had ALREADY believed the delusional account of this disgruntled ex-neo.
The "if this is true" part is Tim's psychological play on his followers. The punch line he threw at you was the delusional statement of the ex-neo to convince you to believe in him. Didn't you noticed how Tim HIGHLIGHTED the parts he wanted you to focus on?????? That is his psychological trick on YOU and the rest of his followers. He goes through this step by step psychological trick on you and then focus you on those HIGHLIGHTED parts.
At the end of his post, Tim Rohr VERIFIED that Father John was hiding out in the seminary through the statement of a delusional and disgruntled ex-neo, and what does tells you to do after that, Anonymous??? He riles you up and calls for ACTION.
Exactly what Tim is doing throwing garbage at the Archbishop. Directing the audience and he play a big role as a puppet master. Mislead everyone.
ReplyDeleteWhat about flight reservation confirming his trip. See your being mislead here Anon 8:29PM. We know who the Judas who use to be in the way. I hope he does not hang himself at the end.
ReplyDeleteWhat sinister words from you, Anon 8:43. So this person who used to be in the NCW is now a Judas? Why? Because this person chose to pursue the authentic Catholic church?
DeleteAnd by the tone of your comment it almost appears that your last sentence is entirely insincere. I truly doubt you'd have any remorse if this person did indeed "hang himself at the end." So sad. So very, very sad.
Anon 12:13 AM do you think what his doing is for the good of the Church? As mentioned before anyone can leave the way with no bond. But to throw and spit at the Archbishop with malign passion this similar to Judas of Iscariot. Yet you continue to believe the long winded information from Tim Rohr which you never heard the other half of the story. How do you know Tim's claim are true? Did you know that mostly of his attack are base on Anti-Catholic info from Italy? Archbishop Krebs label his blog as a Hate blog?
DeleteWe've requested for the flight manifests from united and delta for the day Fr. Wadeson was supposed to leave and the day Mr. Gennarini left. If Fr. Wadeson didn't leave and the Archbishop knew it and it turns out it was a lie concocted by the Seminary, the world will know. I'm calling SNAP!
ReplyDeleteDear Anonymous at 10:03 pm,
DeleteThat should have been done before you called the Archbishop a liar and accuse us of hiding Father John. By all means, go ahead and request for the flight confirmation. And when you find out that Father John actually left on July 23rd just as the PDN said, then what are you going to do???
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction - Proverbs 1:7
DeleteEven if Wadeson did leave on the 23rd, it doesn't change the fact that Apuron is indeed a liar. There are many other things he's lied about. And we are supposed to trust that man to shepherd the people of this archdiocese... Lord, help us.
DeleteDear Anonymous at 12:25 a.m.
DeleteActually, it does change everything. All you have to do is look at the list of Tim Rohr's VERIFIABLE facts. I would like to know how he SCIENTIFICALLY VERIFIED all the following on that list.
For example, how did Tim Rohr VERIFIED that Father John did not leave the island and was in hiding at the seminary???? Well, we already know that it was NOT because of any flight confirmation. So, what evidence did he use?? He used the delusional statement of a disgruntled ex-neo. A photograph of Father John taken at the airport on that day would have been more substantial than a delusional statement. And worse......his followers believed everything he said without question.
Don't worry Diana, in time the truth will be known to all. Be patient, there will be resolution to the problem.
DeleteDear Anonymous at 12:25 a.m.,
DeleteEven in the face of proof of where the lies are coming from (and it's not from this blog), an angry and vengeful heart will never accept the possibility of being wrong. This reminds me of the boy who called "Wolf". I wonder what other not-so "verifiable facts" the Jungle relies on. Even the darkness in the jungle can't stop the light of truth from shining!
It is not the truth alone that will set us free, but the truth that is known.
DeleteSo what about the verifiable facts? You never address them.
DeleteI'd like you to show the readers of this blog where Tim Rohr ever made the claim that he has "scientifically verified" facts. Better yet, just show us where he claims to have "verified facts" within that blog entry. OH but there is a problem: You can't. Because he never stated in that entry "These are verified, scientifically proven facts." And while you're at it, prove that the statements of this former-neo-turned-to-true-Catholicism are indeed delusional, as you claim it to be. Prove that this ex-neo is delusional. Prove that he is disgruntled. You're the one who is applying these descriptions to him, so put your money where your mouth is AND PROVE IT.
DeleteDear Anonymous at 12:57 p.m.,
DeleteI already showed the readers that Tim Rohr made the claim that the things he listed were VERIFIED in his blog. This is what Tim Rohr stated it his blog (Capitalization is my emphasis):
Received this from "Glad to be Back in Holy Mother Church". It VERIFIES many things already mentioned on this blog.
•Archbishop Apuron is not in control.
•All decisions are made for this archdiocese, including who becomes a priest at RMS, by Giuseppe Gennarini, the lead "responsible" for the NCW in the United States. Gennarini is Fr. Pius' immediate superior, and Fr. Pius is the Archbishop's immediate superior. Gennarini's immediate superior is Kiko. This is the hierarchy controlling our church on Guam!
•Both Fr. Paul and Msgr. James were fired at Kiko & Gennarini's order.
•Fr. Wadeson DID NOT "leave the country". At the time I thought this was an extremely odd thing to say. It was as if he was trying to throw us off as to his whereabouts. Some knew he remained in hiding at the seminary. In fact, according to this account, HE WAS.
•If this turns out to be true then Fr. Pablo Rodriguez, the rector of RMS, and Archbishop Apuron LIED.
He says "It verifies". He does not say "This is fact."
DeleteDear Anonymous at 7:18 p.m.
DeleteAccording to Dictonary.com, VERIFY means: to ascertain the truth or correctness of, as by examination, research, or comparison; to prove the truth of, confirm or substantiate.
According to Dictionary.com, FACT mean: something that actually exists; reality; truth
According to Dictionary.com, TRUTH means: conformity with fact or reality; verity, a verified or indisputable fact, proposition, principle, or the like.
Now, instead of playing semantic games with me, go back into the jungle and ASK your leader to substantiate or verify that Father John was hiding in the Seminary. ASK him to show you the confirmation flight. If he can show the confirmation flight of the Archbishop and even his seat number on the plane, then he should have no problem doing the same with Father John.
Really Diana, then why in other parts of the post does he say "if this is true", and then goes on to ask if anyone can verify. Stop taking things out of context, yes we know that is kiko SOP, but that doesn't fly with us.
DeleteI started to realize that this blog is just to keep current Neos misinformed to avoid a mass exodus.
Dear Anonymous at 6:54 a.m.,
DeleteTim Rohr did not ask if anyone can verify. At the beginning of his post, he already listed certain things that was already verified in his post, and this was one of those things on the list.
•Fr. Wadeson DID NOT "leave the country". At the time I thought this was an extremely odd thing to say. It was as if he was trying to throw us off as to his whereabouts. Some knew he remained in hiding at the seminary. In fact, according to this account, HE WAS.
He already verified that Father Wadeson did not leave the country. So, go back into the jungle and ask your leader for the flight confirmation. That is all you need to do. He already put out in his blog that Father John was hiding in the Seminary. So, ask him for the flight confirmation, and see his response. What is wrong with asking???
It is visible that Tim Rohr is in panic. He has lost it.
ReplyDeleteThe truth is coming out little by little.
No, Elia, we have not lost it. There is more truth that will be exposed. Truth with evidence behind it. This will all come crumbling down. In the end Archbishop will be asked to step aside and we will be afforded an Archbishop from outside the island. No, the truth starts with the Archbishop.
ReplyDeletePray and worship the way you want to. I have no problem with that. The problem I have here, is the that Archbishop is no longer mentally able to serve the entire flock and be honest. I want honesty with who really owns RMS. I want honesty about the story of Mother Dawn's donor. I want honest about the financial statement and the removal of Msgr Benavente. I want honesty as to why there was a search and seizure into his belongings. I want honesty as to who scrutinizes these men to become priests. I want honesty about who actually is leading the flock here on island. ALL I WANT IS HONESTY! HONESTY FROM THE ARCHBISHOP!
Dear Anonymous at 7:30 a.m.,
DeleteYou stated: Archbishop is no longer mentally able to serve the entire flock and be honest.
Do you have his mental or psychological records to prove your statement??? If you want truth with evidence, then start with yourself by proving this statement with evidence. Also, start asking Tim Rohr the same questions. Tim has always been saying that the Archbishop is not in control and that someone else is making all the decisions for him. Ask him to show proof of that, rather than just take his word for it. After all, in the Way, we ask our catechists questions whenever we have questions. It is time for you and Rohr's followers to start asking their leader questions and not simply swallow everything he says.
All we want is the truth! No more no less!
DeleteMaybe Diana YOU should ask the Archbishop about the Donor to RMS. Maybe you should talk to Mother Dawn. Maybe you should ask the Archbishop if the auditors used the word, detrimental or was it Dominic Kim. So many questions need to be answered! That is why there is no more confidence in the Archdiocese!
DeleteI want...I Want...I want...I want.
DeleteI mean, can you hear yourself?
WHO ARE YOU?
The truth is under your nose. You just don't want to see it.
Get real, stop to live in fantasies.
ANON 10:09AM. In regards to RMS the Archbishop has a sole say. It belongs to the Church for free. You have no rights.
DeleteDear Anonymous at 10:09 a.m.,
DeleteBack in February, I posted the news article showing that the Archdiocese of Agana did not pay a single penny for the RMS seminary. The Seminary was given to the Archdiocese for FREE. Tim and his followers did not believe it and ridiculed me for it. They did not believe that God could provide the people of Guam a FREE seminary. Now, here you are....You believe now because Father Pius came out and reminded you of something that was already printed in the newspaper in 2010.
And here you are......TELLING me that I should ask the Archbishop about the Donor to the RMS??????? Why?? In the first place, it is none of my business. Instead, I will PRAISE God that He sent a benefactor to give us a seminary. In the Way, we do not advertise how much money we give to our parish because we are not after fame and glory. We do not brag or boast our individual contributions to build up our parish Church. You do not know the name of the benefactor and he does not want to be known because like us, we do not care for the praises of this world.
Accusing the Archbishop of mental instability? Why because he re-assigned a beloved priest to another parish? Because he took action against another who was allowing a convicted sex offender to work in a parish after his superior told him not to? I think it is not the Archbiship's mental state that should be questioned but those who make such derogatory remarks.
ReplyDeleteElia,
ReplyDeleteI want honest church leadership.....what do you want?
United Destruction,
DeleteSo you throw you pebbles despite he presented the article from Deloitte and Touche. Your still not convinced since Tim Rohr plagued your heart with hate. The Church is not a Government, if your in doubt. Why can you be a Bishop since you know the answer.
Dear Catholics United,
DeleteHonest leadership or the destruction of the NCW. Do you remember why I told you to change your name? You were caught revealing your real motives.
Dear Anonymous at 12:17 p.m.,
DeleteFather John was a NCW priest who was removed by the Archbishop, so you can no longer play the "favoritism" card. This post is about the jungle accusing us of hiding Father John in the Seminary. We are still waiting for the flight confirmation from the jungle.
Favortism? You think it mere coincidence that the priest that AAA chose to protect on Guam is a neo priest? Why does he not harbor all "falsely accused" sexual molesting priests? AAA hid Father John's past from the flock. Warned in 2011, he ignored such warning. I wonder if Father John discussed these incidents during the scrutiny?
DeleteDear Anonymous at 4:04 p.m.,
DeleteThe topic of this post is Fantasy News in the Jungle. Father John left Guam on July 23rd, and we were accused of hiding Father John in the Seminary. Ask your leader to provide the confirmation ticket showing that Father John was hiding in the Seminary.
Dear Diana,
ReplyDeleteYou asked: "Honest leadership or the destruction of the NCW. Do you remember why I told you to change your name?"
So I answered. The favoritism happened. The fact that Wadeson's unresolved past was no longer hidden resulting in the Archbishop cutting him free doesn't delete the past favoritism Apuron has demonstrated. The rising number of NCW appointments and the rising removal of non-NCW priests continues this trend of NCW favoritism.
But you want to argue about is a flight itinerary. Avoidance and redirection.
Dear Anonymous at 3:52 pm,
DeleteThe fact that the Archbishop was able to remove Father John showed that there NEVER was any "favoritism" in the first place. It only existed in the delusional minds of people exactly like this Fantasy news reported in the jungle of Father John hiding in the seminary.
The fact that the archbishop knew about Wadeson's history of allegations and didn't do anything about it shows favoritism. Think about that and think about the way he treated Fr. Paul for supposedly "endangering the lives of children".
DeleteIf you don't get it, well then I guess all hope is lost on you.
Dear Anonymous at 7:40 a.m.,
DeleteThe Archbishop treated Father John as an innocent man as it should be. It was SNAP who forced the Archbishop's hand, and Father John understood this. The other person, on the other hand, is a convicted sex offender and treated as such. And if you do not understand this, then let us hope that you never have to go through Father John's situation so you would learn it the hard way.
Here's a summary of your post:
DeleteYour take: The Archbishop behaved properly because Wadeson's past was never argued in a court of law - even though the San Francisco and LA archdioceses saw the credibility in the accusations against Wadeson.
Your defense of his action: It wasn't actually proven in a court of law, so it's okay to employ an accused sex offender without investigation into his past.
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Your take: The other person was actually convicted of a sex crime. Although he served his time and may have been rehabilitated, we must continue to punish him for the rest of his... or our... lives.
Your defense: He was actually convicted. The fact that he has repented and taken action to live a good life is irrelevant. So we must punish him and anyone who helps him (Fr. Paul).
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Hey so why did Fr. John threaten us on the way out? I thought you said he obediently and quietly obeyed Apuron by leaving.
Threatening anyone who discusses his past with a lawsuit doesn't sound obedient or quiet.
Dear Anonymous at 9:35 a.m.,
DeleteIf you studied your history, you will find that SNAP is anti-Catholic organization whose goal is to oust all priests regardless of whether they are guilty or not. Also, Father John did not threaten you. He called your attacks on him vicious and malicious which is what it is. You attacked someone who has never been arrested for allegations that was 41 years ago.
The fact that Wadeson's past was ignored proves that NCW favoritism took priority over protecting Guam's Catholics.
ReplyDeleteAnd the NCW accuses us of xenophobia because we want to protect ourselves from harm (from an outsider or otherwise).
Dear Anonymous at 4:37 pm,
DeleteProtect yourself from outsiders??? How do you see these people as threats because of their nationality?
Diana wrote: "Protect yourself from outsiders??? How do you see these people as threats because of their nationality?"
ReplyDeleteWell, what I actually wrote was "we want to protect ourselves from harm (from an outsider or otherwise)". That basically means from any source, including an insider or local or even a meteor and flooding.
You interpreted that to mean that I'm a bigoted, hateful, malicious xenophobe who hates the NCW, Apuron, Wadeson, and Pius.
Heck, you might even start arguing the point into a silly oblivion claiming I'm racist against meteors.
That's how it is to try and reason with you.
Dear Anonymous at 9:25 am.,
DeleteI apologized if I misunderstood you.
However, as I said, a person is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Allegationst does not show that the person is a threat to anyone because in our country, the law states that person is innocent. Your first sentence regarding Father John already branded him guilty despite that he was never arrested or brought to court. A person accused whether outside or not should be treated as innocent until found guilty in a court of law.