One of the conspiracy theory that has been going around is that the Neocatechumenal Way is going to take over the Catholic Church. This only goes to show that they have no faith in Jesus Christ who said that He will be with His Church until the end of time. The Church was founded by Jesus Christ and is over 2000 years old, and they actually believe that the NCW will take over the Catholic Church?? The NCW is PART of the Catholic Church. No one in the NCW ever said that the Way is Lutherian or Protestant. The only ones who has been saying these things are those who oppose the Way. That alone says everything.
The NCW is indeed part of the Catholic Church, but if you look at the trend in which it is going, the NCW may very well end up splitting from the Roman Catholic Church. The NCW is taking on a course extremely similar to Lutheranism. Do your homework Fr. Adrian.
As I posted above, the only ones saying that the Way is Lutherian are those who are against the Church. The NCW is Catholic, and Kiko Arguello was confirmed by Pope Francis as Consultor for the Pontifical Council for the Laity for five more years.
Those are only more conspiracy theories. As I said, Pope Francis confirmed Kiko Arguello as Consultor for the Pontifical Council for the Laity for five more years. In other words, Kiko has a position in the Catholic Church.
it's quite obvious anonymous that you can speak about any subject without no apparent experience or first hand knowledge. You talk about chocolate cake but never tasted chocolate cake. Forgive me for being harsh but why do you have to threaten people whose have different views. Freedom .....free will is Gods gift to all.
Is that how you determine whether the NCW is Catholic or not.....by the statutes, icons, and pictures??? Please use common sense. Catholicism is much more than objects.
Furthermore, do you not know that a lot of cathedrals and churches have asked Kiko to paint icons in their church?? So, you will find these icons of Kiko in these Catholic churches and cathedrals. Kiko also is an architect and has built Catholic churches with other architects.
Kiko copies other works of art. Nothing is original. You may be right that other churches are asking but I have a very strong feeling those are NCW churches and ask for building churches- yes churches he funds and that are NCW. No right minded community or city would pay for his design so he pays himself through- wait for it---wait for it---- NCW. (Vatican has no work of Kiko art) No regular sane church would want a second rate copied work- nothing about Kiko is original. But you didn't answer my question. Where are the saints? and other icons and other objects that are tied into our traditions, heritage, faith? If they are absent then those places are more like Baptist, Protestant and Lutheran churches which have them notably absent. Show me a picture at a NCW gathering where other works of art, statues and objects are present? Sadly it has be be Kiko approved. Truth be told!
There is no such thing as a Neo church. Those church existed long before the Neocatechumenal Way came in.
Furthermore, David Lopez Ribes received the award in the category of painting from the Pontifical Academies at the Vatican. According to Lopez: "On the one hand, I have collaborated for thirteen years with Kiko Arg�ello, initiator of the Neocatechumenal Way, and with a team of ten artists to give the Church an aesthetic proposal at the service of the man of faith and of the liturgy, in order to live the liturgy and the sacraments better. But I also see that God wants us to approach the man that never enters Church as well."
So, here is an artist who was taught by Kiko Arguello and he received an award from the Vatican for his paintings. Lopez is also a member of the Neocatechumenal Way.
My apologies. I was in a hurry and my comment was incomplete. You asked where are the saints in Kiko's paintings. Have you actually looked at Kiko's paintings? I asked that question because Kiko did paint the Apostles and he also copied an ancient painting of Adam and Eve being pulled out of Hades. He copied the ancient Byzantine painting with minor variations.
AnonymousJuly 28, 2014 at 6:58 PM is that a threat? Kiko Arguello been attack verbally and physically. If your implying to remove this charism then the blood and tears of this people is in your hands. Do point it to us why you oppose it? Be concrete share to us.
This is an evidence Archbishop Martin Krebs. God have mercy on your soul Timothy Rohr. You need a serious act of contrition. Sad case.
AnonymousJuly 28, 2014 at 5:11 PM
He is the Archbishop and you don't respect his authority. Accept it, you play like your in authority. Can. 563 Without prejudice to the prescript of ⇒ can. 682, §2, the local ordinary, for a just cause and according to his own prudent judgment, can remove the rector of a church from office, even if he had been elected or presented by others. Reply Replies
TimJuly 28, 2014 at 5:26 PM
You are right. I DON'T accept his authority. He has no authority over me other than when he teaches in union with the rest of the church in the matters of faith and morals. As regards his authority over the liturgy he has forfeited that by his commitment to the the neocat abuses. And the point is, Apuron erred when he appointed a rector to the Cathedral. A rector cannot be appointed to a church which is also a parish even if its the cathedral. Thus Benavente is NOT a rector but a pastor and cannot be removed as the canon you quote. Gosh you guys are thick.
And for the record. Yes. I am my own authority. Thanks.
You can still practice your faith with your community, but don't become a traitor to your people by defending those who do wrong to your people. Being a member of any group, including the NCW DOESN't make a person perfect (Arch/Kikos). Every man must account for his actions, to God in heaven, and man on Earth.
And how would you know if you had never tasted it??? That is the point that Juan is trying to make. You cannot call anything rotten unless you have actually tasted it. All you are doing is judging what you do not understand or experience.
The NCW is indeed part of the Catholic Church, but if you look at the trend in which it is going, the NCW may very well end up splitting from the Roman Catholic Church. The NCW is taking on a course extremely similar to Lutheranism. Do your homework Fr. Adrian.
ReplyDeleteDear Anonymous at 5:39 p.m.,
DeleteAs I posted above, the only ones saying that the Way is Lutherian are those who are against the Church. The NCW is Catholic, and Kiko Arguello was confirmed by Pope Francis as Consultor for the Pontifical Council for the Laity for five more years.
Oh Diana, wait until you hear the story of LL. This will blow you away. Many, many, dark days ahead!
DeleteDear Anonymous at 6:58 p.m.,
DeleteThose are only more conspiracy theories. As I said, Pope Francis confirmed Kiko Arguello as Consultor for the Pontifical Council for the Laity for five more years. In other words, Kiko has a position in the Catholic Church.
2013 uncorrected manuscript, Porto San Giorgio, Kiko offers the audience schism
ReplyDeleteDear Destruction,
DeleteCould you cite the passage from that 2013 uncorrected manuscript???
it's quite obvious anonymous that you can speak about any subject without no apparent experience or first hand knowledge. You talk about chocolate cake but never tasted chocolate cake. Forgive me for being harsh but why do you have to threaten people whose have different views. Freedom .....free will is Gods gift to all.
ReplyDeleteFree will doesn't make it okay to lie cheat and steal from others on your own free will.
DeleteIf the ncw is catholic why doesn't it use other statues, icon and pictures that were not crated by kiko?
ReplyDeleteDear Anonymous at 9:05 p.m.,
DeleteIs that how you determine whether the NCW is Catholic or not.....by the statutes, icons, and pictures??? Please use common sense. Catholicism is much more than objects.
Furthermore, do you not know that a lot of cathedrals and churches have asked Kiko to paint icons in their church?? So, you will find these icons of Kiko in these Catholic churches and cathedrals. Kiko also is an architect and has built Catholic churches with other architects.
Kiko copies other works of art. Nothing is original. You may be right that other churches are asking but I have a very strong feeling those are NCW churches and ask for building churches- yes churches he funds and that are NCW. No right minded community or city would pay for his design so he pays himself through- wait for it---wait for it---- NCW. (Vatican has no work of Kiko art) No regular sane church would want a second rate copied work- nothing about Kiko is original. But you didn't answer my question. Where are the saints? and other icons and other objects that are tied into our traditions, heritage, faith? If they are absent then those places are more like Baptist, Protestant and Lutheran churches which have them notably absent. Show me a picture at a NCW gathering where other works of art, statues and objects are present? Sadly it has be be Kiko approved. Truth be told!
DeleteDear Anonymous at 12:48 p.m.,
DeleteThere is no such thing as a Neo church. Those church existed long before the Neocatechumenal Way came in.
Furthermore, David Lopez Ribes received the award in the category of painting from the Pontifical Academies at the Vatican. According to Lopez: "On the one hand, I have collaborated for thirteen years with Kiko Arg�ello, initiator of the Neocatechumenal Way, and with a team of ten artists to give the Church an aesthetic proposal at the service of the man of faith and of the liturgy, in order to live the liturgy and the sacraments better. But I also see that God wants us to approach the man that never enters Church as well."
http://www.ewtn.com/vnews/getstory.asp?number=122650
So, here is an artist who was taught by Kiko Arguello and he received an award from the Vatican for his paintings. Lopez is also a member of the Neocatechumenal Way.
But you didn't answer any of my questions from the last two posts? Your answer doesn't say anything or make it right or correct?
DeleteDear Anonymous at 2:34 pm,
DeleteMy apologies. I was in a hurry and my comment was incomplete. You asked where are the saints in Kiko's paintings. Have you actually looked at Kiko's paintings? I asked that question because Kiko did paint the Apostles and he also copied an ancient painting of Adam and Eve being pulled out of Hades. He copied the ancient Byzantine painting with minor variations.
AnonymousJuly 28, 2014 at 6:58 PM is that a threat? Kiko Arguello been attack verbally and physically. If your implying to remove this charism then the blood and tears of this people is in your hands. Do point it to us why you oppose it? Be concrete share to us.
ReplyDeleteThis is an evidence Archbishop Martin Krebs. God have mercy on your soul Timothy Rohr. You need a serious act of contrition. Sad case.
ReplyDeleteAnonymousJuly 28, 2014 at 5:11 PM
He is the Archbishop and you don't respect his authority. Accept it, you play like your in authority.
Can. 563 Without prejudice to the prescript of ⇒ can. 682, §2, the local ordinary, for a just cause and according to his own prudent judgment, can remove the rector of a church from office, even if he had been elected or presented by others.
Reply
Replies
TimJuly 28, 2014 at 5:26 PM
You are right. I DON'T accept his authority. He has no authority over me other than when he teaches in union with the rest of the church in the matters of faith and morals. As regards his authority over the liturgy he has forfeited that by his commitment to the the neocat abuses. And the point is, Apuron erred when he appointed a rector to the Cathedral. A rector cannot be appointed to a church which is also a parish even if its the cathedral. Thus Benavente is NOT a rector but a pastor and cannot be removed as the canon you quote. Gosh you guys are thick.
And for the record. Yes. I am my own authority. Thanks.
Juan,
ReplyDeleteYou can still practice your faith with your community, but don't become a traitor to your people by defending those who do wrong to your people. Being a member of any group, including the NCW DOESN't make a person perfect (Arch/Kikos). Every man must account for his actions, to God in heaven, and man on Earth.
At least the cake I eat ain't rotten.
ReplyDeleteDear Anonymous at 11:37 p.m.,
DeleteAnd how would you know if you had never tasted it??? That is the point that Juan is trying to make. You cannot call anything rotten unless you have actually tasted it. All you are doing is judging what you do not understand or experience.
Diana, LL is a story that is a conspiracy within our local church and its leaders. Dark, dark, days ahead.
DeleteI attended the series of catechesis for 8 weeks on Mondays and Fridays so I do know what I am talking about.
ReplyDeleteDear Anonymous at 10:10 am,
DeleteIf you attended the Catechesis, then can you explain what are the three angels? I just want to verify that you actually attended the Catechesis.
They are Kiko, Carmen and Fr. Mario
DeleteDear Anonymous at 11:52 am,
DeleteThat is incorrect. This only goes to show that you did not attend any of the Catechesis.
@Anonymous July 29, 2014 at 11:52 AM "Winner" Love the comment but you are wrong- they are the prophets- much like David Korseh and Jim Jones.
DeleteAnonymousJuly 29, 2014 at 11:52 AM your mocking like a lil child. Diana ignore it, the anonymous took a big gulp of Tim's vomit.
Delete1:41 i didn't mock anyone, you've misconstrued my post
Deletestory of LL brings more dark dark days
ReplyDelete