5EE445August 30, 2017 at 4:44 PM
Diana, I already gave you a solution. Get the leadership of both groups to meet and discuss their differences. We are all adults rooted in the Catholic faith and yet we can not get along. At the present time, which group is causing the division in the church. I think that AB Byrnes is an intelligent and rational individual. He can make his own decisions consulting the CCOG or the LFM. Did Ric Esebuios group or any member of the NCW tried sitting down with AB Byrnes to discuss any of the problems the NCW is encountering here on Guam? What about AB Apuron, where is he at? Why isn't he communicating to his flock here on Guam. I think there is a lot of problems the NCW here on Guam has to address and it starts with AB Apuron. Just saying.
This has already been done. On June 2015, there was a question and answer forum at the Toto Church between Archbishop Apuron and the parishioners. The parishioners were more interested in humiliating the Archbishop. One parishioner even called him a liar after the Archbishop answered a question. After listening to the question and answer forum with the Archbishop, these were some of the comments on Rohr's blog regarding that dialogue:
I listened to the Q&A on sound cloud.( https://soundcloud.com/immaculate-heart-of-mary/qa-session-toto-parish-6-15-15 )...We now can conclude that NEO CULT Chief Presbyter Anthony Sablan's Apuron is a deceptive liar when answering the questions from his flock. Could not help but to laugh when he stated that Very Reverend Monsignor James and Reverend Father Paul's Case is at Rome. We all know that it was never forwarded to Rome. Additionally, He stated that he is not forcing the NEO religion on anyone; everyone has the freedom to choose how to worship.... REALLY!!!! Then why are the local seminarians forced to be formed in the NEO/NCW CULT Seminary..... We all know where our future stands as we see the increase rate of NEO Presbyters being incardinated in Guam. The people will have no choice but to abandon the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church and become a member of this NEO CULT. Wake up Guam and stop the money!!!
AnonymousJune 17, 2015 at 11:24 AM
The Archbishop does not have a spiritual bone in his body. And I have seen him in public many times over the years. He is as insincere and fake as they come.
AnonymousJune 17, 2015 at 6:47 AM
Wow! Toto Parish showed they got balls!! And apuron showed he doesn't have any!!
I can't wait for the report on the next "pastoral visit"!
I can't wait for the report on the next "pastoral visit"!
In April, 2016, Professor Giuseppe Gennarini (the head catechist of the United States) invited Tim Rohr to meet with him to discuss the issues he had with the Way and RMS. Tim Rohr refused. Professor Gennarinni also went on the talk show to answer questions. Bob Klitze, a member of the Jungle called up. During the course of the conversation, it was obvious that Mr. Klitzkie did not care to listen. He was told on air that he was holding the wrong document about 5 times. It was not until the next day when he realized that there was a new document and he was holding the wrong one. Another junglefolk called on one talk show to ask a question, which Mr. Gennarini answered. In a second talk show, the SAME person called and asked the SAME question. Apparently, some of the junglefolks saw this as a joke, asking the same questions over and over.
To bring some unity, we first need to understand our brothers in the jungle. The comments they make reveals a little of who they are. This comment taken from the jungle gives us some understanding of their mindset:
AnonymousApril 26, 2017 at 11:53 AM
Fr. Danny will have to prove his loyalty to Bp. Byrnes and that will take time.
There are a lot of Filipino priests where I live. Excluding 2 fine older ones who have lived in the US most of their lives, there are serious complaints about their poor training, lack of orthodoxy and extreme clannishness. Basically, only Filipinos like them and vice-versa. They don't like Americans and they tend to be Charismatic.
One high profile Filipino Pastor of a huge parish insists on using non-Catholic altar servers! To him that's easy evangelization and the bishop won't stop it. None of the altar servers convert. That same Pastor also has a thriving NCW group at his church. I went to 2 funerals there and won't go back.
There are a lot of Filipino priests where I live. Excluding 2 fine older ones who have lived in the US most of their lives, there are serious complaints about their poor training, lack of orthodoxy and extreme clannishness. Basically, only Filipinos like them and vice-versa. They don't like Americans and they tend to be Charismatic.
One high profile Filipino Pastor of a huge parish insists on using non-Catholic altar servers! To him that's easy evangelization and the bishop won't stop it. None of the altar servers convert. That same Pastor also has a thriving NCW group at his church. I went to 2 funerals there and won't go back.
There are many similar comments like this from the junglefolks, but they are not only targeting Filipino priests. They say the same things against priests of different ethnic groups. Therefore, many of the junglefolks are racists. They mainly favor local priests like Father Mike Crisostomo and Monsignor James Benavente who are not walking in the Way. Local priests who walk in the Way are also a target of their hate.
So, how does one deal with hate? We already saw that civil dialogue with them does not work. Appeasement also does not work. The only way to conquer hate is LOVE. That was how Martin Luther King Jr. did it.
When CCOG had demanded the removal of Monsignor David and the rest of the RMS priests from the councils, the mistake that Archbishop Byrnes made was giving in to their demands. He should have said, "Monsignor David is my brother. If you hate him, you will have to hate me too. We are brothers in Christ and united together in Christ." Can you imagine the effect and impact it would have if the entire council of priests stood up and told CCOG the same thing? If the clergy can show this kind of love, imagine the impact it would have on the laity especially the junglefolks. But that is not what happened. Instead, a priest wrote this in my blog (the bold is mine):
AnonymousJune 21, 2017 at 11:31 AM
Monsignor resigned from his curia office because it was the correct position to do so.
No one,including Diana,rejoices in the resignation of a priest.However,there comes a time in the life of we priests that for the good of Holy Mother Church we do remove ourself from situations where by our very presence is the cause of growing disunity to the Body of Christ.
The Monsignor made a good action infact he should remove himself from the Archdiocese for an extended time. That is not to say he is in any wrong it is simply the most prudent action to take for the good of Mother Church.
I hope others who need to resign/retire who are a part of this problem will have the humility to do so.
Fraternally, a brother priest.None Neo.
No one,including Diana,rejoices in the resignation of a priest.However,there comes a time in the life of we priests that for the good of Holy Mother Church we do remove ourself from situations where by our very presence is the cause of growing disunity to the Body of Christ.
The Monsignor made a good action infact he should remove himself from the Archdiocese for an extended time. That is not to say he is in any wrong it is simply the most prudent action to take for the good of Mother Church.
I hope others who need to resign/retire who are a part of this problem will have the humility to do so.
Fraternally, a brother priest.None Neo.
As you can see, there is disunity among the clergy. Removing a priest simply because he walks in the Way is discriminatory and an injustice. Whoever this brother priest is, he would have done better if he had stood up and said, "These priests who walk in the Way are our brothers. If you hate them, then hate us too. We stand together."
After all, that was what Martin Luther King Jr. did. He chose to go to prison with his brothers.