tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post8119537817016935967..comments2024-03-20T11:41:40.379+10:00Comments on Neocatechumenal Way - An Insider's View: Easter AnnouncementDianahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-49998764826837240602016-03-30T07:12:55.951+10:002016-03-30T07:12:55.951+10:00Dear Blue,
Man can never destroy what comes from...Dear Blue, <br /><br />Man can never destroy what comes from God. Therefore, we can not destroy the Way because it is a charism that comes from the Holy Spirit. The Catholic Church can never go down because she is the Bride of Christ. The ones who go down are the members of the Church. Nevertheless, despite that many members are going down, there is always a remnant. That remnant keeps the Catholic Church in existence. <br /><br />God has created many charisms such as the NCW, Focalare, Charismatic Catholic Renewal, Cursillios, and many others to help the members of the Church. All these charisms are at the service of the Church. Yet, at the same time, they are also one with the Church. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-87765145258753341552016-03-30T01:22:41.190+10:002016-03-30T01:22:41.190+10:00Oh good God, this people that says we just pick th...Oh good God, this people that says we just pick the part that fits our narrative just picked the last sentence as if that was the key to what I said. But before that I said "Yes the Popes had corrected us along the years. Thank God they did. No one's perfect, not Kiko, not me, not the bishops."<br />Me personally I think it's sad... for them! But Diana, we can destroy the Way. God has nurtured the Way all this years, but He can stop. Because of our sins or just because He decide to. What really matters it's the Church, and we are a service to the Church and as a consequence to the world. Along this 2000 years God has raised, inspired charisms and religious orders to help the Church in specific times of their history and after a certain period some had ended others lost part of their influence.<br />Church is going down very fast here in Europe. Cultural Marxism is infiltrated all over the place and there's a war against everything cristina, specially Catholic. German Church is about to sell (if not did it already) more than 100 churches. What Ratzinger said in the 60's is becoming in frutition. I believe that in less than 20 years any sort of religious expression (except from islam) will be forbidden here. Church it will go back to model of the first times, the church that gathers in homes, like some missio ad gentes that had been sent to the middle east and the ones that are already there for some time. What they testify really warms up the heart. That compared to the comment of those who spent their time reading books to attack the NCW... Guess with whom I prefer to spend my time? <br />But I keep saying that criticism is a good thing, it's like fire to the gold. Helps to purify.<br />I 'like' to read the last 'news' about the attack so I don't forget to pray for Kiko. He's just a man, a human, and all the lies and attack motiveted by envy make him suffer a lot. He was suffering in Porto San Giorgio 2 weeks ago, but the availability of families really bring us all up.<br />So the end, all I have to say is God is good, so good to us. Thanks for the Church, thanks for the NCW, thanks for Kiko, Carmen and Mario, thanks for all our enemies (of the NCW) and the enemies of the Church. It all help us to purify our faith. The only glory that we should expect is the Glory of the Cross.<br />Be happy announcing the news of Resurrected Christ in the next weeks in Guam.<br />Peace.Bluehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08309022850343275870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-3226837209693614302016-03-29T22:02:08.731+10:002016-03-29T22:02:08.731+10:00Dear Anonymous at 10:20 am,
I never said that it...Dear Anonymous at 10:20 am, <br /><br />I never said that it was perfect. I said that whatever comes from God cannot be destroyed. An example is the Catholic Church herself. Her members are not perfect, but the Church existed for over 2000 years because it was built by Christ, not by man. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-27445739332529157532016-03-29T12:31:31.608+10:002016-03-29T12:31:31.608+10:00No, dear Anonymous, but if you worship rules and r...No, dear Anonymous, but if you worship rules and regulations laid down on paper with black typed letters, then you worship a false god, a no-god, a dead god who is not existing. Then you are also an idolizer, who turns away from the living Spirit of God.<br /><br />Jungle folks cannot do anything but worshiping dead letters. How sad for them and for their families, friends and followers. Because they miss out big time on the grace of God that is flowing from Jesus Christ our savior and not from dead letters. Jesus died and was risen on the third day so that we might be saved from the bondage and slavery of dead letters and dead souls who worship those dead letters.<br /><br />The greatest corruption to our soul and gravest damage to our faith are committed every day by those who rely solely on dead letters, rather than the living Spirit of God. They are the true crucifiers of Christ, because they obnoxiously follow the high priest who condemned Him based on dead letters.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-78239613881164775572016-03-29T10:20:42.609+10:002016-03-29T10:20:42.609+10:00If it comes from God it must be perfect huh? And t...If it comes from God it must be perfect huh? And therefore there can be no need for any adjustments or concern that it may be off track. That's the argument it seems. As I said, you consider that the NCW is infallible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-88639820717204722552016-03-29T09:33:30.570+10:002016-03-29T09:33:30.570+10:00Dear Anonymous at 11:26 pm,
No one saying that th...Dear Anonymous at 11:26 pm,<br /><br />No one saying that the NCW is infallible. However, the NCW cannot be destroyed because it comes from God. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-51082116955826918702016-03-28T23:26:00.261+10:002016-03-28T23:26:00.261+10:00Oh I see. So the bottom line is - if you criticize...Oh I see. So the bottom line is - if you criticize the NCW you are sinning against the Holy Spirit. Well, then, that must mean that the NCW is infallibly good and can never,ever have any need to be corrected or reformed. Wonderful, thankyouAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-28542104483355927962016-03-28T22:07:40.025+10:002016-03-28T22:07:40.025+10:00Good Lord, if there's one thing that the Way s...Good Lord, if there's one thing that the Way showed me is that the Church it's not just an organization with ton's of books full of rules. I got to know God In My Own Life. I feel sad by these people that seems the only thing they know is what it's written in books. They never talked about God in a personal way, only things learned in books.<br />Yes the Popes had corrected us along the years. Thank God they did. No one's perfect, not Kiko, not me, not the bishops.<br />As the responsible for another very well known 'movement' said recently: the NCW must be doing something very good. They are very much alive, they are full of vocations. Having a lot of persecution is a good thing.<br />We know that some proeminent people at the Vatican are waiting anxiously for the Kiko's dead to close all the seminaries and dismiss the NCW, but as for me I'm staying with what Carmen said once: "We're catholic, we are with the Pope. They can close the NCW. I don't care. I'm with the Pope."<br />I don't understand all these tiny insignificant questions. I kneel to pray, I prostrat, I wake in the middle of the night to pray, I love all the things about the Church, how the Church have been a mother to me. All that I got it from the NCW, before that I was about to leave the Church. God change my life through the NCW, and me and my familly offered our lifes to God and to Church to go on Mission because we are thankful to God and because He opened to us the treasures of the Church: the Liturgy of Hours, the Rosary, the praying all the time. The NCW is a gift of the Holy Spirit to the Church. The Church is a Gift from the Holy Spirit to the World. All those trowing stones must remember that the only unforgiven sins are those commited against the Holy Spirit... Bluehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08309022850343275870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-13885641075039080982016-03-27T17:13:51.971+10:002016-03-27T17:13:51.971+10:00Dear Anonymous at 12:45 am,
I apologize for publ...Dear Anonymous at 12:45 am, <br /><br />I apologize for publishing your comment late for it is Easter Sunday. And we have been very busy preparing for the Easter Vigil. I did not publish your last comment because it is about the liturgy. Yet, you continue to insist. I doubt that you looked up the Eastern Catholics because in their Mass, they stand about 98% of the time. They do not kneel. Furthermore, "kneeling, while resting at the soles of their feet" is still kneeling. Whether one kneels upright or not is still kneeling and considered as "sitting" in the Japanese culture. This is why in Japan, they do not kneel. <br /><br />At any rate, I will have a post for you soon on kneeling as that is your primary focus. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-91039963201225371742016-03-27T16:56:02.068+10:002016-03-27T16:56:02.068+10:00We, like many churches, do not have kneelers, and ...We, like many churches, do not have kneelers, and we kneel. Not having kneelers does not excuse the able-bodied to bend the knee. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-70044255640050355792016-03-27T12:54:49.107+10:002016-03-27T12:54:49.107+10:00Why doesn't he just meet with them? He never h...Why doesn't he just meet with them? He never has....please don't try to say he has....he hasn't made any attempt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-15622722929726951062016-03-27T00:45:29.874+10:002016-03-27T00:45:29.874+10:00It is not me that wants to impose anything on your...<br /><br />It is not me that wants to impose anything on your NCW group; I would hope that the members would "want" to adore Eucharistic Jesus - "without" banning kneeling - the official position of adoration in the Roman Catholic Church. I do believe that Pope Benedict XVI and Pope Francis gave admonishment to the NCW directly and indirectly - I am just repeating their requests/correction.<br /><br />In an entry that you did not post, I gave you the following website that shows the danger of one "banning" kneeling before our Lord. You did not post. I offer it again (again, it is not me that is imposing anything, but offering the NCW the opportunity to serve our Lord better by being docile.<br /><br /><br />http://www.hprweb.com/2015/07/kneeling-ban-good-liturgy-or-loss-of-religious-freedom/<br /><br />I want to address the Japanese "kneeling, while resting their seats on their feet." I've never seen a Japanese eat while kneeling upright - without resting their seats on their feet. Therefore, one cannot say that kneeling upright (without resting on their feet) is the same posture as sitting. <br />And, I did look up kneeling in the Eastern Churches - there are many that do the prostrations. Perhaps, those that are doing the prostrations "want" to adore like those in Revelation?? PeaceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-67555151243131136812016-03-26T13:46:51.695+10:002016-03-26T13:46:51.695+10:00Dear Anonymous at 10:21 am,
I suggest that you l...Dear Anonymous at 10:21 am, <br /><br />I suggest that you look up information on the Eastern Catholics. Their churches do not have kneelers because they do not kneel. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-61733809135390431352016-03-26T13:44:41.829+10:002016-03-26T13:44:41.829+10:00Dear Anonymous at 9:56 am,
Kneeling is in the Bi...Dear Anonymous at 9:56 am, <br /><br />Kneeling is in the Bible, but it is also cultural. Kneeling does not mean the same thing across culture. The Japanese Catholics, for example, do not kneel because in their culture, kneeling is the same thing as sitting. The Japanese kneel whenever they dine. In their Mass, the Japanese Catholics do not kneel. See the weblink below: <br /><br />com/news/article/japanense-church-abolishes-kneeling-for-communion<br /><br />In the Bible, the Apostle Peter said that the Gentiles do not need to follow the customs of the Jewish Christians. The problem with you is that you want to impose your western definition of kneeling to everyone including those in the Eastern cultures. <br />Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-47826129220729719622016-03-26T10:21:22.704+10:002016-03-26T10:21:22.704+10:00Again, in response to your "the Eastern Catho...Again, in response to your "the Eastern Catholics do not kneel in their liturgy and that is approved by the Vatican"....<br />This is not true. I know someone personally that belongs to a Ukrainian Catholic Church, and he says they "prostrate in adoration" of Jesus present at the Altar. <br /><br />----------------Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-53455375785084789712016-03-26T09:56:54.035+10:002016-03-26T09:56:54.035+10:00Dear Diana,
You state kneeling is from a culture,...Dear Diana,<br /><br />You state kneeling is from a culture, yet Cardinal Ratzinger says in the excerpt previously mentioned that "kneeling DOES NOT come from any culture - it comes from the BIBLE and its knowledge of God."<br /><br />Perhaps you missed that part.<br /><br />It's too bad you won't print any more letters concerning the way you celebrate the Eucharist. Instead of spreading the Truth, I fear you will be accountable for perpetuating the illicit additions and deletions in the NCW Mass. I hope and pray you'll reconsider.<br /><br />Also, the question "What does Father Ratzinger's prophesy have to do with the Mass" remains unanswered.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-60626343619275355942016-03-26T07:27:39.811+10:002016-03-26T07:27:39.811+10:00Dear Anonymous at 4:28 am,
Kneeling is from a cul...Dear Anonymous at 4:28 am,<br /><br />Kneeling is from a culture. The Bible was written by people of the Middle East. If it was written by the Japanese, there would be no kneeling because kneeling is the same as sitting and considered disrespectful. Furthermore, the Eastern Catholics do not kneel in their liturgy and that is approved by the Vatican. <br /><br />Again, as I said, you have done your correcting unsuccessfully. We listen only to the Vatican. So, write your letter of complaint to the Vatican. Any further comments regarding the way we celebrate the Eucharist will not be publish. After all, no one is forcing you to attend Mass in the NCW. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-27103484861162424072016-03-26T04:28:49.393+10:002016-03-26T04:28:49.393+10:00Dear Diana - re yours of 4:16 pm
The prophesy of ...<br />Dear Diana - re yours of 4:16 pm<br /><br />The prophesy of "FATHER" Ratzinger was given in "1969."<br /><br />The Spirit of the Liturgy is a "2000" book written by "CARDINAL" Ratzinger.<br />Excerpts from this book include:<br /><br />"Kneeling does not come from any CULTURE - it comes from the <br />BIBLE and its knowledge of God ...(to kneel before) alone occurs 59X in the New Testament, 24 of which are in the Apocalypse, the Book of Heavenly LITURGY which is presented to the Church as the "Standard of her OWN LITURGY."<br /><br />and<br /><br />"There is a story that comes from the sayings of the Desert Fathers, according to which the devil was compelled by God to show himself to a certain monk. The devil looked black and ugly, with frightenly thin limbs, but most strikingly, he had no knees. The inability to kneel is seen as the very essence of the DIABOLILCAL."<br /><br />and most importantly the following excerpts, because this is an obvious call for correction to liturgy .....<br /><br />"There are groups, of no small influence, who are trying to talk us out of kneeling. "It doesn't suit our culture" they say....it's not appropriate for redeemed man - he has been set free by Christ and doesn't need to kneel any more...St. Augustine said that the humility of Christ and his love, which went as far as the Cross, have freed us and we kneel before that humility. The kneeling of Christians is an expression of Christian culture which transforms the existing culture through a new and deeper knowledge and experience of God." (page 184)<br /><br />"The man who learns to believe, learns also to kneel; and, a faith or a LITURGY no longer familiar with kneeling, would be sick at the core. Where it has been lost, kneeling MUST be rediscovered, so that, in our prayer, we remain in FELLOWSHIP WITH THE APOSTLES AND MARTYRS, IN FELLOWSHIP WITH THE WHOLE COSMOS, INDEED IN UNION WITH JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF. (page 194)<br /><br />Two questions.<br />How does the NCW justify themselves listening to their leader rather than the Pope's call for correction.<br />Diana,I don't understand, what does "Father" Ratzinger's prophesy have to do with the Mass? <br /><br />I wish you Christ's peace on this Good Friday. <br /><br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-62812559203360481382016-03-25T16:16:05.903+10:002016-03-25T16:16:05.903+10:00Dear Anonymous at 2:34 pm,
Did you read the prop...Dear Anonymous at 2:34 pm, <br /><br />Did you read the prophecy of Pope Benedict XVI in my blog. As for the liturgy, write a letter of complaint to the Vatican. You can correct us all you want. We will not listen to you. We listen only to Rome. So, in your letter, demand that Rome corrects us and wait for their reply. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-78315368987967142812016-03-25T15:48:47.487+10:002016-03-25T15:48:47.487+10:00Dear Anonymous at 2:05 pm,
The Archbishop prayed...Dear Anonymous at 2:05 pm, <br /><br />The Archbishop prayed for them. That is all anyone can do for people who have no desire for unity. We can only offer prayers. God will take care of the rest just as He has always done for us. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-3329473630253904372016-03-25T14:34:59.600+10:002016-03-25T14:34:59.600+10:00We know that the NCW may celebrate Mass in their s...We know that the NCW may celebrate Mass in their small communities, but they are to use that Mass as a stepping stone to the regular Mass, where we, at all our different levels of understanding and belief, come together as ONE. (This was the wish of Pope Benedict XVI.) The Saturday night NCW Mass is valid, but the unapproved, not-in-the-2008-Statutes additions and deletions, are illicit and therefore liturgical abuses. <br />You may be in unity with a Bishop, but if that Bishop is not in unity with the Pope re the Mass, then you also are not in unity with the Pope re the Mass. (Note: this has nothing to do with the many commendable charisms in the NCW; this has to do with "A GROUP THAT GOES AHEAD FOLLOWING THE LOGIC OF ITS IDEAS.")<br />If Pope Francis says to correct the NCW using the Statutes, and the Statutes do not give the permission or approval for the many alterations in the NCW Mass, the NCW is ignoring/disobeying the corrections that were mandated by Pope Francis.<br />I do not want the NCW to oppose any Archbishop - providing that the Archbishop is in agreement with the Pope - otherwise the archbishop unfortunately has no authority (in this particular issue). See CCC #883.<br /><br />The most charitable thing the NCW can do for its Priests and Bishops is to insist that the Mass be celebrated according to the approved Liturgical Books as per the Pope's wishes. (Sign of Peace is one change that has been approved in the Statutes of 2008.)<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-88921456441454488212016-03-25T14:05:05.304+10:002016-03-25T14:05:05.304+10:00what would our spiritual leader, Archbishop Anthon...what would our spiritual leader, Archbishop Anthony Apuron, do to bring about unity? should he do nothing? should he meet with his accusers?<br /><br />you cannot ignore that there is a separation today. you insist it is the other side, the CCOGs, the LFM, that promotes separation and you may be right. <br /><br />But what has the the Bishop done to promote unity?<br /> <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-9409593788759651832016-03-25T11:20:13.222+10:002016-03-25T11:20:13.222+10:00Dear Anonymous at 3:56 am,
I can only speak abou...Dear Anonymous at 3:56 am, <br /><br />I can only speak about the NCW on Guam as I walk in the community here. From what I see, there are a few brothers in the Way who are arrogant and feel they are better than others, but these brothers so not represent the entire NCW. We are all human and can make mistakes. However, some of these brothers have come to realize that they were wrong. <br /><br />As for unity, we are in unity, the Pope calls us into unity. We are called to be in unity with the Bishops and Pope. And we will strive for that. Do you see us opposing the Archbishop??? Of course not. What You want is for the NCW to oppose Archbishop Apuron. Is that correct? Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-40227511034586815142016-03-25T03:56:11.959+10:002016-03-25T03:56:11.959+10:00No one will grow if one takes only the good that i...No one will grow if one takes only the good that is mentioned, but avoids the main purpose of the Pope`s speech.<br />Diana, you highlighted `( that in caps)<br /> *You have received a great charism for the baptismal renewal of life. EVERY CHARISM IS A GRACE OF GOD TO INTENSIFY COMMUNION. BUT THIS CHARISM CAN DETERIORATE IF YOU CLOSE IN OR IF YOU BOAST ABOUT IT, WHEN YOU WANT TO DISTINGUISH YOURSELVES FROM THE OTHERS. SO WE HAVE TO SAFEGUARD IT. HOW. FOLLOWING THE MAIN PATH; OF HUMBLE AND OBEDIENT UNITY.*<br /><br />But continuing on, the Pope STRESSES (again note Diane, it is the Pope who is stressing the following to the NCW) obedience such as the example of Mary in humble obedience for UNITY. This involves `*cleaning out excesses* and being docile (teachable) children of MOTHER CHURCH. (Look at the following part of the Pope`s speech carefully)<br /><br />*If there is this, the Holy Spirit continues to operate, just as it did in Mary, who was open, humble and obedient. It is always necessary to keep an eye on the charism, cleaning out the eventual human excesses through the search for unity with all and obedience to the Church. This is how to breathe in the Church and with the Church; this is how to stay docile children of the "HOLY MOTHER HIERARCHICAL CHURCH" with a "soul which is prepared and ready" for the mission (cf. St. Ignatius of Loyola, Spiritual Exercises, 353).<br /><br />I (the Pope) STRESS THIS POINT: the Church is our Mother. Just as children carry, imprinted in their faces, a similarity to their mother, we all look like our Mother, the Church. After Baptism we no longer live as ISOLATED individuals, but we have become men and women of COMMUNION, and we are called to be operators of communion in the world. Because Jesus not only founded the Church for us, but he founded us as Church. From her we are born again, she feeds us the Bread of life, from her we receive words of life, and we are forgiven and accompanied home. This is the fruitfulness of the Church, who is MOTHER: NOT AN ORGANIZATION THAT SEEKS FOLLOWERS, OR A GROUP THAT GOES AHEAD FOLLOWING THE LOGIC OF ITS IDEAS, but a MOTHER who transmits the life received from Jesus.*<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-30619370427924619372016-03-22T23:50:29.357+10:002016-03-22T23:50:29.357+10:00Anon.at March 22, 2016 at 3:01 pm it turned out th...Anon.at March 22, 2016 at 3:01 pm it turned out that the person you turned to to make the comment had more compassion and was more understanding. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com