tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post7808577340852731821..comments2024-03-20T11:41:40.379+10:00Comments on Neocatechumenal Way - An Insider's View: In Making DecisionsDianahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-31997050400417670302016-10-05T17:44:51.033+10:002016-10-05T17:44:51.033+10:00A bar in Manila? a priest in a bar? I would unders...A bar in Manila? a priest in a bar? I would understand a pub but not a bar!? Talk about Skeleton in a closet!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-62069798512577318932016-10-04T11:39:50.194+10:002016-10-04T11:39:50.194+10:00What is so wrong with moving Fr. Adrian to Umatac?...What is so wrong with moving Fr. Adrian to Umatac? Umatac for so many years has had no assigned priest so the priest assigned to Merizo has had to do their masses as well as Merizo's. It is GOOD that they have their own priest. And the NCW should be happy they have more southern priests for those small communities. In fact they may even be able to flourish and grow because of them.<br /><br />Also, what is wrong with being assigned to DYA and DOC? If anything, you're beloved priest will do GOOD there just as he's done for your parish. You should be happy his talents can be used to help those people!<br /><br />Stop looking at all the negative and perhaps you'll see that despite the crap that comes out of the news and all the worrying going on that there are still things worth being happy about.<br /><br />Things could be worse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-89617058507740235892016-10-04T04:38:34.485+10:002016-10-04T04:38:34.485+10:00Well it is quite obvious why he removed our belove...Well it is quite obvious why he removed our beloved Pale' Edivaldo! He is guilty of openly believing in Archbishop Apuron's innocence...and that goes against the agenda of Archbishop Hon. For the sake of 'unity and harmony' Hon is trampling anyone against his agenda. Look at Mons. David. Look at Father Adrian. Look at all the others...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-36221711869091037232016-10-03T21:35:10.462+10:002016-10-03T21:35:10.462+10:00Part 2
In regards to assignments of priests, I am ...Part 2<br />In regards to assignments of priests, I am wondering why is there a need to reshuffle priests. I believe that priests should move every 6 years but his committee saw it fit to put some priests who has not even been a pastor or administrator for 6 years in a parish. I believe that they should move priests who have stayed longer in the parishes. Such as monsignor James, he was rector for 20 years. But I know for a fact he will not take a small assignment. Fr. Mike C. has been in Toto for more than 10 years but his parishioners will become angry if he is moved. Well guess what. I heard he will be pastor of Yigo church. So I wonder how would toto parishioners will react. Sometimes it is for the good of the church. <br />In conclusion, Archbishop Hon needs to reevaluate his committees and place 2 of each priest groups for the best interest of the Church. Archbishop Hon also needs to apologize to the people of guam and Archbishop Apuron for writing a statement that he is asking the Holy See to remove Archbishop Apuron as Archbishop of Agana. Why? Because his statement already implies that Archbishop Apuron is guilty. I personally believe that he is innocent of all these allegations because all of these allegations came forward by Tim and his followers. Also, keep in mind that the lawyer Dave Lujan is Monsignor's godfather. Wow! Talk about connects. Tim also used to work alongside Monsignor James as the Gift shop manager. All connected. Archbishop Hon should also investigate as to how the Archdiocese was exposed and the documents that are publish on Jungle watch. He was the leak. Monsignor James is helping in giving all the documents to Tim. Evidence are a personal emails from Fr. Adrian to Aaron Quitagua and many other personal and private letters or statements to the priest. Archbishop Hon, investigate the local priests who are at the root of all these such as Monsignor James. But, wait he's best friends with them. So No.Guamboyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17131983847584805693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-4006108759746355562016-10-03T21:34:42.743+10:002016-10-03T21:34:42.743+10:00Part 1
I am not a follower of the Neocatechumenal ...Part 1<br />I am not a follower of the Neocatechumenal Way but I respect them! I am a regular Catholic who devotes many of my volunteer hours helping my Parish, but I am not part of the CCOG or LFM. I believe that the CCOG and LFM is a group that is out to push their personal agenda, ie, Removal of Archbishop Apuron and other things. I have been a very active parishioner for about 16 years of my life and I am concerned with the current Archdiocese administration. Why? Because since Archbishop Hon has arrived, he was and still is being confronted by the people who cause the greater division in the Church on Guam. But, since Archbishop Hon is showing his colors to protect or favor more of the local priest such as Monsignor James, Fr. Paul and Fr. Jeff but what about the other priests who are willing to help for the good of the Church. There are many priests that have been silent and obey their superiors like the some filippino priests and the priests that are following in the neocatechumenal way. But, I believe it is the local priests that are the reason for these division. Such as Monsignor James. When he was removed by Archbishop Apuron for Financial Mismanagement was because he signed for checks from the Catholic Cemetery Inc. for the use of his personal Anniversary Celebration. Even though there is an intent to repay after the celebration is unbecoming of a priest. His evidence is that the former board approved the transaction is still in question because the members of the board at that time are close friends. Why do I say close, is because John Rivera is Monsignor's godson, Gerald Taitano was the President of the Cathedral Parish council and John Jr. Calvo is also monsignor's boboy (Nino to his son as well) and Joshua Perez who is Monsignor's boboy and who wrote a check to himself in those amount. I question why did the previous board concluded to use Catholic Cemeteries money to support monsignor's party? These questions will not be answered. <br />Back to Archbishop Hon being in favor of local priest. It is upsetting for me to understand why? Let us be fair. In his Presbyteral Council, it consists of members of local priest who is bitter and is one sided and who believes that the Neocatechumenal way is a problem. I personally beg to differ. I believe we all need to coexist and learn to bring unity but unity right now is not the problem. The priests in this archdiocese are grouped and some will not even want the breathe the same air as others. These groups are: Local priests, Filippino priests, priests that are in the neocatechumenal way, capuchin priests and even local priests who hates the following groups. The priests needs to know that they are priests for the Archdiocese of agana and not for themselves. I am concerned with the way the neocatechumenal way is being treated by Archbishop Hon and some local priests. This is why there is a division. The problem is that they rather create a deeper conflict but I hope Archbishop Hon does realize that it is not only the local priests, it is all the priests that needs to reunite. <br /><br />Guamboyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17131983847584805693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-30021208401957134732016-10-03T20:23:01.458+10:002016-10-03T20:23:01.458+10:00Dear Anonymous at 4:15 pm,
If there were minute...Dear Anonymous at 4:15 pm, <br /><br />If there were minutes granting Monsignor James the $13,000 for his anniversary dinner, this irregularity would not appear in the Internal Review Report in the first place. The fact that it appeared in the Internal Review Report shows that there is something wrong. I agree with Guamboy. Money that belongs to the cemetery should never be used for anyone's personal needs. Also, as Guamboy puts it....all these people belong in the inner circles of Monsignor James. As for Jackie, she should be the one to have the minutes considering that she is the secretary of the Cemetery Board. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-45926659041041575382016-10-03T20:16:50.906+10:002016-10-03T20:16:50.906+10:00I don't understand the purpose of reasigning p...I don't understand the purpose of reasigning priests. How is this going to promote peace and harmony. Just upsets the villagers/parishioners.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-66774305596000624082016-10-03T20:12:46.807+10:002016-10-03T20:12:46.807+10:00Dear Anonymous at 7:06 pm,
Our behavior also has...Dear Anonymous at 7:06 pm, <br /><br />Our behavior also has an affect on others as well. Martin Luther disobeyed the Church. So, it is not surprising that his followers also ended up disobeying him. Sin begets sin. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-1439987767470571512016-10-03T19:06:29.316+10:002016-10-03T19:06:29.316+10:00Dear Diana,
The thing about disobedience (and to w...Dear Diana,<br />The thing about disobedience (and to what extent it is as a sin), is that it is dependent upon the INTENT, as you indicate. And who is to say what that is for any of these people? Only they and GOD knows. <br />I think INTENT is behind all this, and so I don't agree with your 'disobedience breeds disobedience' line of thinking. They are all acting on what they believe is the right thing to do--despite what their superior says. They'd all disobey even if Hon didn't do so at the beginning.<br /><br />As far as the Cemetery Board, the time for them to have reported their findings was at the beginning. To act on it immediately after AB Hon's press conference just invited speculation as to their INTENT--as you mentioned. (Notwithstanding the unorthodox manner in which it was done.) <br /><br />As to sin and whether venial or mortal ? Well, I agree--that is up to God. We on earth have to deal with facts, laws, documents to make our judgements. And in the end we will all find out whose INTENT to disobey was truly based on for the good of the Church and truth, and whose was otherwise influenced.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-65835784752587513732016-10-03T18:05:47.238+10:002016-10-03T18:05:47.238+10:00Of course the Former board will approve the monies...Of course the Former board will approve the monies used for Monsignor's Anniversary. Rivera, Shimizu, Taitano and Calvo are all from Monsignor's inner circle. But it is still wrong to use money from the Catholic Cemeteries and use it for the purpose of Monsignor's Anniversary and then repay it back with interest after the fact. We should hold these people accountable for using the monies that are reserved for Catholic Cemeteries and not for personal use. Look at the checks given to Josh Perez. All these people are in the inner circle of Monsignor. Sad.... <br />AB Hon is covering up monsignor... Let the truth come out. Thanks to these people for using church money for monsignor's anniversary and maybe other things like Cardinal Tagle's visit. Guamboyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17131983847584805693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-49328850547140534442016-10-03T17:43:49.897+10:002016-10-03T17:43:49.897+10:00Is the Pope a micro manager? Is that not the reaso...Is the Pope a micro manager? Is that not the reason why he has created so many councils to help in his ministry. If the council assigned to "our case" predetermined or encouraged AB Apuron's removal then it was the failure of our priests to be unified under the guidance of AB Apuron and confidence in his ability to be our leader to prevent that. <br /><br />Who's fault is that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-81023917248984323232016-10-03T16:17:24.198+10:002016-10-03T16:17:24.198+10:00C'mon Jackie, we all know its you. lol! You ...C'mon Jackie, we all know its you. lol! You sound like her, you correct your errors like her, we know it's you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-70614064379519087302016-10-03T16:15:27.504+10:002016-10-03T16:15:27.504+10:00But you're the one arguing the point that minu...But you're the one arguing the point that minutes validate documents. If the former board's declaration is void without minutes, according to you, then the current board's resolution is void without minutes as well.<br /><br /> At least the former board each signed their document. The current (and soon to be former) board did not. In fact, Jackie only provided her signature. <br /><br />This is certainly entertaining. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-76972408866999423782016-10-03T16:12:37.404+10:002016-10-03T16:12:37.404+10:00Dear Anonymous at 4:09 pm,
Oh sorry. I thought ...Dear Anonymous at 4:09 pm, <br /><br />Oh sorry. I thought you were referring to the 2014 minutes. I am not Jackie, so you will have to ask her for it as she is the secretary. I do not speak for her. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-20940242384869612812016-10-03T16:12:13.309+10:002016-10-03T16:12:13.309+10:00Jackie didn't submit minutes either.Jackie didn't submit minutes either. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-49447973995755763182016-10-03T16:10:23.376+10:002016-10-03T16:10:23.376+10:00Dear Anonymous at 4:00 pm,
Were there any minute...Dear Anonymous at 4:00 pm, <br /><br />Were there any minutes? If the former finance board approved of it, there should be a minutes on it. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-51115206602787880432016-10-03T16:09:21.219+10:002016-10-03T16:09:21.219+10:00Where are the minutes that prove the unanimous dec...Where are the minutes that prove the unanimous decision that Jackie presented?<br /><br />I'm asking again because you refuse to post the first time I asked for the minutes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-51417853967110713642016-10-03T16:06:31.352+10:002016-10-03T16:06:31.352+10:00I can agree with that. JW has a letter dated 2016...I can agree with that. JW has a letter dated 2016 from the former finance board saying they knew and approve to give $13,000 for Mon. James anniversary dinner. But where's the 2014 minutes?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-21969758585380799082016-10-03T16:02:34.618+10:002016-10-03T16:02:34.618+10:00After the press conference this afternoon there wi...After the press conference this afternoon there will be no AG or police investigation. The claims put forth by Jackie Terlaje are bogus and she apparently did not secure unamous votes from the board. As a show of confidence in Mgsr James, he is now appointed as Delegate to the Administrator regarding the Church's patrimony. <br /><br />Pride, jealously, and vindictiveness dig us deeper and show not only the island but all over the world how rotten our fruits really are! What happened to being Christian? Where is our humility? Is the slandering of a priest what we are called to do? <br /><br />So when the jungle is disobedient they should be excommunicated and deserving of hell? But now that the NCW is, it is a divine right of free will? Keep on keeping on because these actions tell the whole world more than the jungle ever could. <br /><br />Our Lady of the Rosary pray for us who have recourse to thee! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-51196880713658169212016-10-03T16:00:10.368+10:002016-10-03T16:00:10.368+10:00So, where were the minutes of the resolution that ...So, where were the minutes of the resolution that Jackie submitted to the GPD and AG? More contradiction.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-62611595358776812362016-10-03T15:57:41.540+10:002016-10-03T15:57:41.540+10:00Dear Anonymous at 2:42 pm and 2:43 pm,
If the fo...Dear Anonymous at 2:42 pm and 2:43 pm, <br /><br />If the former board did approve of those transaction, there would be a minutes on it and it would not appear as an irregularity in the internal report. If there were no minutes, the transaction would not be approved by auditors. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-8137785129666749382016-10-03T15:46:29.488+10:002016-10-03T15:46:29.488+10:00Dear Anonymous at 3:35 pm,
Jackie said that the ...Dear Anonymous at 3:35 pm, <br /><br />Jackie said that the undersigned voted to go to GPD and the AG. So, we have a person, who is a member of the cemetery board saying that. Where is your evidence showing that Kiko, Genarinnis, or a Catechist instructed The cemetery board to report it to GPD and the AG? Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-27182784836543490042016-10-03T15:39:02.536+10:002016-10-03T15:39:02.536+10:00Dear Just another hypocrite,
If he felt that rem...Dear Just another hypocrite, <br /><br />If he felt that removing Apuron would restore unity, he should have asked the Pope directly rather than manipulating the Presbyterial Council into removing him so he can present the vote to the pope. <br /><br />I agree that we are responsible for the choices we make and the sins we commit. However, we must also be aware that the choices we make and the sins we commit has an impact on other people and even affect them. After all, the result of Adam and Eve's sin had an impact on all of us. As a result of their sin, all of mankind was born with original sin. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-66638444952974970802016-10-03T15:35:57.301+10:002016-10-03T15:35:57.301+10:00You argue that being off island Pius, Genarinni or...You argue that being off island Pius, Genarinni or Kiko cannot possibly give instruction to the NCW but, unanimously, members of the Catholic Cemetery Board were able to vote and give their signatures to a resolution in a matter of a few hours - even though some are off island? <br /><br />You are a mess and full of contradiction!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-28079213750000804832016-10-03T15:30:48.546+10:002016-10-03T15:30:48.546+10:00"The first person to show disobedience was Ar..."The first person to show disobedience was Archbishop Hon (the very person whom the Pope sent). According to Father Mike in the Patti Arroyo talk show, he revealed that the FIRST thing that Archbishop Hon did was try to remove Archbishop Apuron"<br /><br />What if AB Hon's superior(s) told him or encouraged that Archbishop Apuron should be removed? His actions would not be disobedient.<br /><br />He has stated over and over again that his role on Guam was to build unity. He never said that it was to protect Archbishop Apuron's position or support his decisions. If he was "ordered" or had already determined that Archbishop Apuron should have been removed from the very beginning in order to "restore unity", his actions would not be considered disobedient if he was given free choice over what unity meant in our situation. Afterall, he doesn't have much time here.<br /><br />Also, I do not think that you can put the blame on someone for your own or someone else's actions. You blame Archbishop Hon for teaching disobedience to Fr. Jeff and Fr. Mike through his own disobedient behavior (an assumption). So we can also blame Archbishop Hon for encouraging the disobedient behavior of Catholic Cemetaries. I think that is wrong because this sort of explanation encourages people to not take responsibility for their role in the decision making process. Why AB Hon did what he did and continues to do can only be asked directly of or revealed by AB Hon. You cannot blame his actions as one of the direct causes of the actions of another human being because we each have a responsibility to judge for ourself whether to follow those actions or not. Is that not what Adam and Eve did in the Garden of Eden after eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil?<br /><br />Is it not said in the bible that we should listen to what is being preached but not follow the example of the hypocrites?<br /><br /><br />Fr. Jeff, Fr. Mike, and Catholic Cemetaries will have to be responsible for their actions, but we all have a choice to follow their lead or not. Just as they had a choice to obey or not.<br /><br />And if we all have so much time worrying about the actions of others, perhaps we should be spending that time praying for our bishop, apostalic administrator, priests, our church, and ourselves and doing what we can for God in our daily lives. We can look at the example of others, but we all have a choice to follow that example or not.<br /><br />Peace,<br />Just another hypocriteAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com