tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post7496481867418210388..comments2024-03-20T11:41:40.379+10:00Comments on Neocatechumenal Way - An Insider's View: Iuvenescit EcclesiaDianahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-9757918088994896252016-10-11T15:00:28.451+10:002016-10-11T15:00:28.451+10:00Dear Diana, the owner of the property is the the a...Dear Diana, the owner of the property is the the archdiocese. However the deed restriction would prevent the church from using it as its own. Am I right? The deed restriction gives away the right to use the property to the RMS in perpetuity. Please, talk about this!<br /><br />People consider this disobedience from both Archbishop Apuron and the NCW leadership toward the Holy See. Archbishop Hon said that the Holy See requested a withdrawal of the deed restriction. It is true. The Holy See requested that. Archbishop Hon is not lying.grow up in faithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-48620180451636327752016-10-11T13:43:28.427+10:002016-10-11T13:43:28.427+10:00Dear DCI, who is talking about money? The issue is...Dear DCI, who is talking about money? The issue is the deed restriction. It is about using the property in perpetuity without proper church authorization. <br /><br />If the building is not more important, than the seminary then NCW should empty the building and move RMS to a more appropriate location. You said the building is not important, then don't stick to it! Then let it go. It is not important for you. Withdraw the deed restriction as was requested by the Holy See, so that the Catholic church may use its own property.<br /><br />Thanks.grow up in faithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-72081295587921416912016-10-11T08:41:57.742+10:002016-10-11T08:41:57.742+10:00At Morris I, I'm sorry you see it that way. Bu...At Morris I, I'm sorry you see it that way. But that is only your opinion and I do not share that opinion with you. The Way, as I am experiencing it, is not for everyone, just as Catholicism is not for everyone. But I can tell you that I have witnessed first hand the good being in the Way has done to people, families, young people, and marriages. Being in the Way has taught me so much more about being Catholic than the whole time as a catholic and not in the Way, and that is because of the how the Way is.<br /><br />In addition to what you see in the Way, do you not also see around you that majority of Catholics don't go to church, that priests are abusing children, that church finances are being mismanaged, that young girls are getting pregnant, that marriages between same sex is happening? Do you choose to ignore these things as a Catholic and instead point out only that NCW, as you see it, is somehow not perfect? Do you know of any Catholic who is perfect, other than God? Do you think the Catholic church is perfect?<br /><br />Do you expect the NCW to be perfect?<br /><br />I'm curious to know;<br /><br />-In the 28 years did you not see anything good? <br />-Was is it all bad as you say? <br />-Why then did you stay for 28 years?<br /><br />DCIAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-13619584792811480212016-10-11T07:56:41.466+10:002016-10-11T07:56:41.466+10:00Dear Morris,
The NCW is part of the Catholic Chu...Dear Morris, <br /><br />The NCW is part of the Catholic Church. Members do not become automatically part of the Catholic Chirch, which Christ built. To become a member of the Church, one must be baptized into the Catholic Church and be in communion with God and His Church. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-79318910024283972222016-10-11T03:08:24.689+10:002016-10-11T03:08:24.689+10:00The NCW is not a part of the "charismatic chu...The NCW is not a part of the "charismatic church of the Pauline type".<br /><br />Its lip service to charismas and Holy Spirit are negated by the practices as witnessed by me for 28 years first hand.<br /><br />It supplants true canon law everywhere with its own substitute which takes precedence. Members are never made part of the Church. Some who were already part of the Church manage to remain so by their own efforts. Morris Inoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-24114894695080987022016-10-10T21:54:15.162+10:002016-10-10T21:54:15.162+10:00OMG Grow up in faith, what do you consider more im...OMG Grow up in faith, what do you consider more important, the RMS building? The building is not more important than RM Seminary which forms priests. And if you think it is, than you really are an ignorant Catholic. Think man..."YOU CAN NOT LOVE GOD AND MONEY, IF YOU LOVE MONEY YOU WILL DESPISE GOD." Please think about what yo are saying.<br /><br />DCIAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-12800626855285511772016-10-10T19:57:58.139+10:002016-10-10T19:57:58.139+10:00Dear grow up in faith,
You stated: "Returni...Dear grow up in faith, <br /><br />You stated: "Returning RMS to the church means to withdraw the deed restriction that allows NCW to use the property "in perpetuity"." <br /><br />No it does not. The deed restriction has nothing to do with ownership. <br /><br />Now you ask, "why doesn't NCW instructs Apuron to withdraw the deed restriction?" <br /><br />The NCW never told the Archbishop what to do. He can use his own mind. If you do not believe that, that is not my problem. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-38033423884467425262016-10-10T19:53:28.568+10:002016-10-10T19:53:28.568+10:00Diana, I am not CCOG. I told you so. I am not goin...Diana, I am not CCOG. I told you so. I am not going to court. Archbishop Hon has the direct authorization from Pope Francis to clean up the mess in the archdiocese of Guam. <br /><br />You play this game of hide and seek. It is demeaning, not for me, but first of all for you. Returning RMS to the church means to withdraw the deed restriction that allows NCW to use the property "in perpetuity". This is the real issue, everything else is junk talk.<br /><br />Let me repeat for a last time: why doesn't NCW instructs Apuron to withdraw the deed restriction? Why? I have a hunch that it is Kiko who gave the instruction through Fr. Pius to Apuron to refuse the request of the Holy see. This would give me very far reaching conclusions about Kiko's leadership and the whole NCW structure. <br /><br />Here is your chance to convince me otherwise. Are you ready to talk about what is important or you just continue scratching the surface? Your choice!grow up in faithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-22596488717349832152016-10-10T19:45:54.487+10:002016-10-10T19:45:54.487+10:00Dear grow up in faith,
The money I have and earn...Dear grow up in faith, <br /><br />The money I have and earned has nothing to do with my mother. God gave me the talents, intellect, and skills for me to use in order to make an income. I can donate my money to whomever and whatever I want. You have no say in it. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-75583060096692488462016-10-10T19:39:23.508+10:002016-10-10T19:39:23.508+10:00Dear grow up in faith,
RMS already belongs to th...Dear grow up in faith, <br /><br />RMS already belongs to the Archdiocese of Agana. It was never given away. It is not my problem if you do not believe that. You can always bring it to court and it can be resolved there.Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-22456784441848217442016-10-10T19:36:45.422+10:002016-10-10T19:36:45.422+10:00Diana, this was my question: why is RMS not return...Diana, this was my question: why is RMS not returned to the Catholic church, as Archbishop Hon and the Holy See (congregation) requested? Please, don't duck the question. Thanks.grow up in faithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-25441353255742478982016-10-10T19:34:25.374+10:002016-10-10T19:34:25.374+10:00Diana, nobody said the Mother Church is your biolo...Diana, nobody said the Mother Church is your biological mother. But the same way as you get everything in your body and mind from your mother, your charism gets everything in soul and spirit from the Catholic church. Don't you agree?grow up in faithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-47518870048091871112016-10-10T19:25:53.051+10:002016-10-10T19:25:53.051+10:00Dear Grow up in faith,
My earthly mother is not ...Dear Grow up in faith, <br /><br />My earthly mother is not the Catholic Church nor is she "my" Church. My earthly mother is a member of the Catholic Church just as I am. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-32761187850126445462016-10-10T19:17:27.127+10:002016-10-10T19:17:27.127+10:00My apologies, Diana. It is read: "Even if you...My apologies, Diana. It is read: "Even if you have a job and you make your own money, you owe respect to your MOTHER."<br /><br />The typo was my bad. But you should have understood it if you really wanted... I was talking about your mother, who is your church.grow up in faithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-81924847450587417212016-10-10T19:16:49.244+10:002016-10-10T19:16:49.244+10:00LOL at 4:51 and Grow up in faith, you guys are fun...LOL at 4:51 and Grow up in faith, you guys are funny. Did you know that in every village in Guam only 10 percent of the people there go to church? What are you doing to help those 80 percent discover God? If you are not doing anything then you are being disobedient to God since God gave the instruction to "go an announce to all the brothers....."<br /><br />By the way, many of us Catholics in the NCW give money, and devote our time to serving churches in the Archdiocese.We don't go around seeking attention for it. <br /><br />So that is why I LOL at you guys cause your ignorant and you don't know it. Hahaha....that's funnier.<br /><br />DCI Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-10255303009196253332016-10-10T19:11:53.218+10:002016-10-10T19:11:53.218+10:00Dear Grow up in faith,
You stated: "Iuvenes...Dear Grow up in faith, <br /><br />You stated: "Iuvenescit Ecclesia is a last attempt by Vatican to call Kiko to return to his senses." <br /><br />"Iuvenescit Ecclesia" was addressed to all Bishops of the Catholic Church to accept all lay movements, and communities. It was NOT addressed to Kiko Arguello.<br /><br />You also stated: "You say the money NCW members give to RMS has nothing to do with the diocese. It is very sad. It is like telling your mother that you'll spend every penny of your money as you wish, even though you live in her house. <br /><br />No, Diana. Even if you have a job and you make your own money, you owe respect to your money. Not only because you live in her house but also because it was she who gave you birth, who gave you your genes, nourished you and raised you. Without her you would amount to nothing."<br /><br />This does not make any sense at all. Money did not give birth to me. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-8347588480060978142016-10-10T18:54:44.629+10:002016-10-10T18:54:44.629+10:00Dear Anonymous at 6:20 pm,
Her final report is f...Dear Anonymous at 6:20 pm, <br /><br />Her final report is found in KUAM news: <br /><br />http://www.kuam.com/story/33352597/2016/10/Monday/former-board-refused-to-be-complicit-in-alleged-cover-upDianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-7295997807401081432016-10-10T18:20:49.030+10:002016-10-10T18:20:49.030+10:00Diana . How do we read Atty.Jackie's report gi...Diana . How do we read Atty.Jackie's report given to chancery today. I would like to see credit card bills. Thankyou. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-46400839351401321202016-10-10T18:19:29.784+10:002016-10-10T18:19:29.784+10:00Dear Anonymous at 4:51 pm,
The NCW IS Catholic. ...Dear Anonymous at 4:51 pm, <br /><br />The NCW IS Catholic. That is the truth. The only ones who say that we are not Catholic are the jungle, CCOG, and LFM. The fact that you do not believe us is not my problem. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-66077639494365882552016-10-10T17:53:44.954+10:002016-10-10T17:53:44.954+10:00Thank you Diana my donations going to RMS. I found...Thank you Diana my donations going to RMS. I found out certain grave plots been sold twice thrice over. A particular plot intended for use already contains a body. I am sorry but I Cannot trust former CC Director.<br />Atty.Jackie please assist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-28331207418427388172016-10-10T17:38:14.656+10:002016-10-10T17:38:14.656+10:00You are not right, Diana. I have nothing to do wit...You are not right, Diana. I have nothing to do with CCOG but I am repulsed by the manipulations I see around the RMS. You did not answer any of my questions. <br /><br />If Apuron obeys the NCW then NCW should tell Apuron to comply with the Holy See. Pope Francis stands behind the congregations of the Holy See. You cannot disobey them without disobeying the Pope.<br /><br />What people see is that Kiko instructed Fr. Pius who dictated every word Apuron said to the media. The sad thing is that the disobedience of Apuron is, in fact, the disobedience of Kiko. It is not only Archbishop Hon who can clearly see this but everyone who takes the time to read. <br /><br />You say the money NCW members give to RMS has nothing to do with the diocese. It is very sad. It is like telling your mother that you'll spend every penny of your money as you wish, even though you live in her house. <br /><br />No, Diana. Even if you have a job and you make your own money, you owe respect to your money. Not only because you live in her house but also because it was she who gave you birth, who gave you your genes, nourished you and raised you. Without her you would amount to nothing.<br /><br />In the same manner, without the Catholic church, NCW would amount to nothing. The church was there when you started, the church gave you your beliefs, the church gave you your doctrines. The church gives you a space to hold your gatherings, the church gives you the Sacraments and the presence of Jesus Christ. You owe the Catholic church, Diana you owe the archdiocese big time!<br /><br />Iuvenescit Ecclesia is a last attempt by Vatican to call Kiko to return to his senses. If he continues alienating his followers from the parishes, fighting against legitimate church authorities and manifesting his greedy disobedience toward the Holy See, then NCW will be shut down after his departure, even its traces will be poured over with salt. No question about it. Is this what you really want?grow up in faithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-63607004622630271242016-10-10T17:02:51.517+10:002016-10-10T17:02:51.517+10:00At 4:44 pm, I'm with you.At 4:44 pm, I'm with you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-13447589951047924442016-10-10T16:51:54.006+10:002016-10-10T16:51:54.006+10:00"The NCW does not give anything to RMS. Only ..."The NCW does not give anything to RMS. Only the MEMBERS of the NCW give their money to RMS, and you do not have any say on what I do with my money. My money is mine to give away to whomever I want."<br /><br />The point is that the NCW claim to be Catholic, use the authority of the Catholic Church to claim a certain credibility, and back up their requests (demands?) for financial assets from it members based on inferred authority of the Church. It is in that way that donations made to the RMS or NCW are in fact Church donations. <br /><br />How about you tell the truth - that you're not actually Catholic, and have no real commitment to the ordinary authority of the Church. That instead you are using the Church to gain the credibility you need to get rich!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-26722414747224033932016-10-10T16:44:27.557+10:002016-10-10T16:44:27.557+10:00Yep. My donation is going to RMS and the John Pau...Yep. My donation is going to RMS and the John Paul II seminary, not to the Archdiocese. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-22047338465562197242016-10-10T16:41:24.954+10:002016-10-10T16:41:24.954+10:00Dear grow up in faith,
The Pope never asked the ...Dear grow up in faith, <br /><br />The Pope never asked the NCW to rescind the deed restriction. That is a fact. Archbishop Hon was the one who asked the community (whatever he is referring to is uncertain) to rescind the deed restriction. He was asking something that is impossible to accomplish. Only Archbishop Apuron has the authority to rescind the deed restriction. Archbishop Apuron already gave his reason why he refuse to rescind the deed restriction. <br /><br />Since the deed restriction has not been rescinded all CCOG has to do is take the Board of Directors and the Board of Guarantors to court if they believe that the RMS property does not belong to the Archdiocese of Agana. Let the secular court determine the ownership of the property. <br /><br />You say that any penny that RMS receive from the NCW belongs to the Church? The NCW does not give anything to RMS. Only the MEMBERS of the NCW give their money to RMS, and you do not have any say on what I do with my money. My money is mine to give away to whomever I want.<br />Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.com