tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post6897659477362589697..comments2024-03-20T11:41:40.379+10:00Comments on Neocatechumenal Way - An Insider's View: Disguntled Ex-Neo Members. Dianahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comBlogger166125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-82885104268307010902015-06-05T07:20:07.377+10:002015-06-05T07:20:07.377+10:00Dear Anonymous at 5:49 pm,
And the truth DID come...Dear Anonymous at 5:49 pm,<br /><br />And the truth DID come out, and it did not come out through Junglewatch. It came out through the opinion page of the PDN. We know the truth. Lastimoza was a convicted rapist and killer of a teen. Do you feel much better now that the truth came out? You now know that he was not an abuser of children, but a rapist and murderer of teens. <br /><br />Previously, Lastimoza was only known as a sex offender. When the murder charge was exposed, for the first time after two years of the controversy, Lastimoza came out in public to explain himself and everyone can see that he was a changed man. He came out in public after two years of controversy because he knew in his heart that the murder of a young teenager was far more serious and he did not want the public to fear him as a killer now that he has changed. Whether Father Paul knew about the murder charge is unknown. <br /><br /> It is human error, my friend. A lie is when a person deliberately and knowingly hid the truth. Someone told the Archbishop that Lastimoza was on the sex offender's list, and anyone can assume the offense is child abuse especially if they did not look at the sex offender registry like I did. I was not aware that the age of the victim was on the list until Mary-Lou corrected me.Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-86702750123266140202015-06-04T17:49:09.736+10:002015-06-04T17:49:09.736+10:00Mary Lou stated:
"every effort was made by ...Mary Lou stated:<br /><br /> "every effort was made by the Archbishop and the author of the Archdiocese Statement to create the illusion that Mr. Lastimoza was guilty of a sex offense against a child."<br /><br />And your response was to justify the creation of a false impression. That is not human error. You deliberately try to defend the mis-information by saying "Does it really make a difference"? Well, yes, the truth is important. You don't seem to think it is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-19239531565002888452015-06-04T16:01:23.927+10:002015-06-04T16:01:23.927+10:00Dear Anonymous at 3:53 pm,
Those are not lies. ...Dear Anonymous at 3:53 pm, <br /><br />Those are not lies. Those are human errors. It is the same when the jungle never mention the murder of the victim. Did they lie about the murder by keeping it out of the public or did they simply did not know that Lastimosa was also a murderer? Father Paul never mentioned that Lastimosa was a murderer. Between him and the Archbishop, Father Paul knew Lastimoza more because he worked with him almost on a daily basis, and nowhere on this blog did I ever accuse Father Paul of keeping that crime out of the public. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-31921638269866116132015-06-04T15:53:56.758+10:002015-06-04T15:53:56.758+10:00"Would it make a difference if he was portray..."Would it make a difference if he was portrayed as a rapist and a murderer??? Is a child abuser a much more serious offense than a killer or are they equally the same in your eyes? "<br /><br />Apparently lies are acceptable to youAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-58528088891487850252015-06-04T15:47:09.329+10:002015-06-04T15:47:09.329+10:00Dear Mary Lou,
Thank your for your correction. ...Dear Mary Lou, <br /><br />Thank your for your correction. I stand corrected. Yes, an 18 years old is considered an adult but also a youth. Eighteen and Nineteen years old are still in their teens. While it is true that he was not guilty of a sex offense against a child, he nevertheless was guilty of rape and murder of a young girl in her teens (Eighteen years old). No one brought up the part that he murdered the teenage victim until later on. Not even the jungle knew that until it was later exposed through the PDN. <br /><br />You stated: "every effort was made by the Archbishop and the author of the Archdiocese Statement to create the illusion that Mr. Lastimoza was guilty of a sex offense against a child."<br /><br />Would it make a difference if he was portrayed as a rapist and a murderer??? Is a child abuser a much more serious offense than a killer or are they equally the same in your eyes? <br /><br />As for the implication that Mr. Lastimoza and Father Paul was engaged in a homosexual act, I agree that was uncalled for. The Archbishop even recognized that and called Father Paul into his office to apologize to him personally. As a matter of fact, Father Paul admitted to PNC news that the Archbishop did offer him an apology. That story can be found in the following weblink in which Father Paul admitted that the Archbishop apologized in person. <br /><br />http://pacificnewscenter.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=41253:video-father-paul-say-archbishop-apologized-but-not-in-writing-so-he-will-move-forward-with-defamation-suit&catid=45:guam-news&Itemid=156<br /><br />Therefore, the Archbishop is only human like everyone else. He made a mistake and has acknowledged that mistake through a personal apology to Father Paul. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-17154916700056840632015-06-04T14:39:13.147+10:002015-06-04T14:39:13.147+10:00Diana (June 3, 2015 at 10:20 PM), in your response...<b>Diana (June 3, 2015 at 10:20 PM)</b>, in your response to <b>Eleanor Aguon</b> you stated "<i>The Archbishop may not have been aware of the crime Joseph Lastimosa [sic] committed when he was given permission to do community service. Even his parole paper does not specify the type of crime he committed. … Many years later, someone pointed out to the Archbishop that Lastimosa's [sic] name is on the sex offender's list.</i> <b>And even that list does not reveal the age of the victim.</b> <i>So, how does one know whether he raped an adult or sexually abused children?</i>"<br /><br />Actually on the Guam Sex Offender Registry the information on Mr. Joseph Babauta Lastimoza CLEARLY indicates the <b>Age</b> of the female Victim was <b>18</b>. That information was available at the time when the Archbishop accused Fr. Paul Gofigan of having caused "<i>grave harm to the parish … exposing him to your parishioners,</i> <b>especially the youth</b>" in his 16 July 2013 letter to Fr. Paul.<br /><br />The same implication was made in the 22 July 2013 <i>Archdiocese Statement Regarding Father Paul Gofigan</i> in the section citing "<b>SAFETY OF CHILDREN FOREMOST</b>" which notes "<i>A school full of children is in very close proximity to the parish. Confraternity of Christian Doctrine (CCD) students, Confirmation students and other youth groups are part of the parish. … with the ultimate consideration being the</i> <b>safety of our children</b>."<br /><br />Mr. Lastimoza's victim was an <b>ADULT</b> — as recorded on the Guam Sex Offender Registry for the public to see — but every effort was made by the Archbishop and the author of the <i>Archdiocese Statement</i> to create the illusion that Mr. Lastimoza was guilty of a sex offense against a child. <br /><br />It has been mentioned by other people — certainly not in this blog — that Mr. Lastimoza has been a model citizen since his release from prison and he maintains the required updates with the Guam Sex Offender Registry. Ray and Fina Fernandez — Mrs. Fernandez was even the officer who arrested Mr. Lastimoza! — have indicated that "<i> … We judged that Joseph had made a concerted effort to change his life. … With Fr. Paul's help he had come back to his church … when Joseph and Tricia decided to marry, my wife and I became their Sponsor Couple …</i>" <br /><br />The Archbishop should have been displaying Mr. Joseph Lastimoza as a <i>Success Story of Rehabilitation and Reconciliation</i>. Instead the Archbishop decided to imply that Mr. Lastimoza was guilty of a sex offense against a child (FALSE!) and later implied (to priests at a retreat) that Mr. Lastimoza and Fr. Paul Gofigan were engaging in homosexual activities after Mr. Lastimoza built a stairway to Fr. Gofigan's bedroom (FALSE AGAIN!!) — how very, very sad.Mary Lou Garcia-Peredanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-10741009029338377782015-06-04T12:44:03.361+10:002015-06-04T12:44:03.361+10:00Dear Anonymous at 10:38 am,
I ask "where it...Dear Anonymous at 10:38 am, <br /><br />I ask "where it is written...." because it is the junglefolks like you who need the written documents. In other words, I am simply throwing back to you what you have always been throwing to the NCW. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-22763051930107690282015-06-04T12:39:08.427+10:002015-06-04T12:39:08.427+10:00Dear Anonymous at 10:37 am,
Again, where is it w...Dear Anonymous at 10:37 am, <br /><br />Again, where is it written that the Archbishop MUST know the crimes of the person....especially when the Parole Board established the condition that Lastimosa shall perform 8 community service in the Dededo Parish. That was a "special" condition set by the board. <br /><br />I am not accusing the Archbishop of dereliction of duty. He did his duty the best way he can. He complied to the government's special condition that was established for Lastimosa. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-39318122308640304372015-06-04T10:38:11.705+10:002015-06-04T10:38:11.705+10:00Diana @6:13am: You seem to ask "where is it ...Diana @6:13am: You seem to ask "where is it written..." pretty often. Does this indicate you also believe that something should be written to be valid? Just wondering, because I'm reading a lot of non-Neos here asking for some written documentation and are told that it is verbal. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-9593397223244649532015-06-04T10:37:40.963+10:002015-06-04T10:37:40.963+10:00Dear Diana, when the Archbishop is the one giving ...Dear Diana, when the Archbishop is the one giving permission for a convicted felon to serve his parole at a parish, then it is incumbent on him to know the nature of his crimes. Of course.<br /><br />If you disagree with that, you are way out of bounds.<br /><br />So, you seem to be accusing the Archbishop of a dereliction of duty, or incompetence?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-46286096369801537742015-06-04T06:22:59.924+10:002015-06-04T06:22:59.924+10:00Dear Eleanor,
I agree with what you say. Yet, a...Dear Eleanor, <br /><br />I agree with what you say. Yet, at the same time, the Church also has a responsibility to protect their parishioners from being victimized........especially in light of what happened in the past when priests sexually abused young boys. That scandal hurt the Church. As a result of that scandal, organizations like SNAP were formed to keep a close eye on the Church. And SNAP has gone unchecked. They have brought priests and bishops to court for even allowing ALLEGED sex offenders working in the parish. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-46465886799102260752015-06-04T06:13:35.699+10:002015-06-04T06:13:35.699+10:00Dear Anonymous at 12:32 am,
Where is it written ...Dear Anonymous at 12:32 am, <br /><br />Where is it written that the Archbishop must know the crimes of all those who have been incarcerated? Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-35926637437336930022015-06-04T01:03:41.836+10:002015-06-04T01:03:41.836+10:00Hi Diana,
The man served his time and his communit...Hi Diana,<br />The man served his time and his community service for a crime he committed over thirty years ago. I think Christ would have embraced him and encouraged him in his efforts to lead a God-centered life. Released felons have a hard time getting jobs after their release. I think churches on Guam should help released felons. When I lived in the states, some churches in my town had programs to help them. They had ministries in the prison and were there for the offender when he had served his time and was released. I think it's about forgiveness and understanding. <br />Eleanor Aguon<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-83475779756813329572015-06-04T00:32:47.651+10:002015-06-04T00:32:47.651+10:00"The Archbishop may not have been aware of th..."The Archbishop may not have been aware of the crime Joseph Lastimosa committed when he was given permission to do community service."<br /><br />If this were so, we would have to conclude that the Archbishop failed in his duty of care. Is that what you are suggesting Diana?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-39539949396507358642015-06-03T22:20:04.278+10:002015-06-03T22:20:04.278+10:00Dear Eleanor Aguon,
The Archbishop may not have ...Dear Eleanor Aguon, <br /><br />The Archbishop may not have been aware of the crime Joseph Lastimosa committed when he was given permission to do community service. Even his parole paper does not specify the type of crime he committed. <br /><br /> Many years later, someone pointed out to the Archbishop that Lastimosa's name is on the sex offender's list. And even that list does not reveal the age of the victim. So, how does one know whether he raped an adult or sexually abused children?. The sex offender list exist for one reason only.......so that the public be made aware of the whereabouts of the convicted person and pre-cautions can be taken. Knowing the nature of the crime can make a difference and even change some people's mind about a person. After all, rape and murder is a far more serious crime than car theft. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-15913083756280913872015-06-03T15:46:47.170+10:002015-06-03T15:46:47.170+10:00Hi Diana,
I am confused. The archbishop was the on...Hi Diana,<br />I am confused. The archbishop was the one who gave permission for the sex offender who had served his prison time to do community service at Santa Barbara Church. After he completed the required years of community service, Fr. Paul hired him. When the archbishop asked Fr. Paul to fire him, the man was fired. He did continue to help the church as a volunteer. What I find confusing is that the archbishop approved the performance of community service. I saw the archbishop's signature on the document. This man was not a pedophile--he was not a threat to children. <br />I would love to ask the archbishop his thought process concerning this matter, but that's not possible. His actions are confusing to me.<br />Eleanor Aguon<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-65771113689217919942015-06-03T14:12:44.515+10:002015-06-03T14:12:44.515+10:00Dear Niinja2 at 8:02 pm,
I will put your comment...Dear Niinja2 at 8:02 pm, <br /><br />I will put your comment as an entry post. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-75877871075525874272015-06-02T22:18:58.735+10:002015-06-02T22:18:58.735+10:00Dear niinja2, "I commented yesterday but my c...Dear niinja2, "I commented yesterday but my comments were not posted." Diana as the owner of this blog is entitled to temporarily or altogether withhold comments that do not support her intention of clarification of critical issues arising in relation to the neocatechumenal communities of Guam. <br /><br />"You can leave and you might feel less pressure but one day in maybe 15 years something might happen..." This is about the fear from future. Perhaps it is the most immaterial of all, because anything could happen in the future that would build or destroy your planning. Instilling fear of future is an unfair tactics in relation to trust and love of Jesus. You should always test if Jesus would say the same thing to you. You can accept it only if you are firmly convinced that Jesus himself would say the same! That is why you need to read His Gospels and have a personal relation to Him that you keep away from harmful influence.<br /><br />"God gives you freedom of choice and when you choose freely God will remove his hand from you to let you pick that choice." This is about the fear of isolation from God and from His love. This is quite serious as no Christian would ever want to be separated from Jesus who is the source of our confidence. People who think that God simply equals to the Father cannot understand this. Because God is not only the Father, but also the Son who is Jesus and the Holy Spirit Jesus promised and sent to us at Pentecost! <br /><br />"When catechist spoke to you, God spoke to you." This part I cannot truly understand. God speaks to us through the Gospels validated by Jesus and only Him. But God is not talking directly to people. You cannot see or hear God and live. Why? Because the impact would be to intense on you burning up your earthly body in a single instant! But God has access to your mind, therefore He freely chooses to talk to you through your own or through some other person's mind! This we also read in the stories of Abraham, Moses or King David. Eminently, in the words of the anointed prophets. <br /><br />"Why do you ask so many questions? If you do not see Jesus on us, there is no point to nothing of this." We see Jesus in the Gospels and in his words. We see Him in the sacraments and during adoration of the Holy Host. We see Him in the Eucharist. It is a blessing if you see Jesus in the needy, in the downtrodden, in the ill and in the poor. Then you will help them and thus you help Jesus to build His kingdom. Now, the catechists see Jesus in you in the same way, trying to help you. It is up to you if you listen to them. I don't know if their words have the authority of Jesus or not. But you may always test it by asking if Jesus would tell you the same or not. Ultimately, everything is about Jesus as you know Him, as He taught and revealed Himself to you. All you need to do is trusting Him and only Him.<br /><br />"Catechists simply have some kind of influence which make people submissive in their prescience." Now this is something you have to come completely clean about: is this influence man made or God made? Is the impact on you bringing you apart from or closer to Jesus? Is this authority you experience in the presence of the catechists harmful or beneficial on you? Is the feeling of submission that overwhelms you, is this feeling forced on you or is it coming naturally by some internal approval of righteousness? Would it let you down or lift you up? Would Jesus want to have the same impact on you? If you can discern the answers to these questions then you would know immediately how to respond. Zoltanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10881244654285854387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-17806671100432419892015-06-02T21:35:48.482+10:002015-06-02T21:35:48.482+10:00Dear Anonymous at 4:32 PM, Christians evangelize a...Dear Anonymous at 4:32 PM, Christians evangelize as Diana said. Following Jesus we spread His Gospel. He is the only true authority and His teaching is the only truth. The Bible makes sense insofar as it reveals the true meaning of the words of Jesus. Whatever you read not about Jesus but about someone or something else is ultimately invalid, because He is the only one to validate whatever you discern from the Bible. <br /><br />A Christian is always on mission in spreading the Word. You cannot separate itinerary, formation and mission from each other. The Way is designed by its heavy organizational structure to develop, educate, train, maintain and manage missionary lifestyle for the whole time line of the future of the church. That is why so many kids in the Way open up their hearts for consecrated life. It is true that only a few select can actually go on mission, but the overflow of grace coming from their sacrifice for Jesus is flowing abundantly on the whole community supporting them. <br /><br />Think of the arrow shooting straight into the air. The arrowhead is hard and heavy made of steel, but it cannot hit the target without the wood made body of the arrow supporting its flight. This is the same how we in the Way support our sisters and brothers on mission. This is perhaps the greatest charism of the Neocatechumenal Way that earned the unconditional support from all the Popes who recognized this wonderful potential for growing faith around the globe. Zoltanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10881244654285854387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-45911746926951634732015-06-02T20:02:43.416+10:002015-06-02T20:02:43.416+10:00Part two Diana
"God loves you, but he does no...Part two Diana<br />"God loves you, but he does not love your behavior of forcing people to accept your views and only your views. "<br /><br />That's why i do not push my beliefs onto you, i force you to answer a question since you already agreed to enter a debate and made a blog where you spread your beliefs in public space and btw make stuff up about ex neocats. Which you actually did answer thank you. According to you slavery except the one imposed by sin never existed.<br />And if God does not like that you push your belief onto others maybe you should explain to new members what are you all about instead of indoctrinate them for years until they are ready to accept the same nonsense you believe.<br /><br />"that perhaps your Catechists was correct in telling you to start over. "<br /><br />And perhaps the people who pretend to be Jesus Christ that is ready to die for me but know only my name after so many years , should have used more then 2 sentences to actually explain where i was supposedly wrong because after 6 years i think i earned the right to be treated as a human being.<br />But he did not. Why?<br /><br />Because a man who is wrong does not have anything else to say other then that.<br />Because its a cult that bases its belief on nonsense and questions may expose nonsense.<br />Because its a cult that uses people who submit to them, and expels those who ask questions.<br />Because they are not about love and humility but about power and control.<br />Because they are not Jesus, they are Pharaoh and NCW is Egypt.<br />niinja2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-44251235119332547272015-06-02T20:02:27.989+10:002015-06-02T20:02:27.989+10:00You stated:
"You stated:" I also asked y...You stated:<br />"You stated:" I also asked you how is it possible that we become slaves under the influence of sin but not under the influence of fear of death."<br /><br />It is because of Original Sin that we have a weakened nature, which makes us tend to sin. (See CCC 418).However, we have Christ who lifts us up whenever we fall into sin. Christ instituted the Sacrament of Reconciliation so that we can repent and be reconciled back to Him and His Church. "<br /><br />So it appears that people have weakened nature and are susceptible to influence of sin but don't have weakened nature when threatened with fear of death and are free from this influence to do anything...because fear of death does not really influence us. This is because we are creatures of pure spirit not flesh, that cannot die and feel pain and we can walk through walls to.<br /><br /><br />"I never said that I FELT forced. I said that YOU are trying to FORCE people to accept your views and only your views."<br /><br />It does not matter if you felt forced or not, you recognized my arguments as forcing something but when catechists threaten someone with fear or loss then that someone is not forced he is suddenly free...<br />And since i am not talking to "some people" i am talking to you, you said this because YOU are these "people" and YOU FELT FORCED and now you play this word games to evade the fact that influence of others can put pressure on people just to DENY THAT MANIPULATION HAPPENS ON NCW.<br />I mean you are trying to deny that the sky is blue.<br /><br />You are also trying to deny the simple historical fact that people enslaved one another and that slaves existed. Or could you explain what exactly enslaved black people? <br />"People do not enslave us. It has always been the Devil who is the enemy and who enslave us"<br />The devil that worked through white slave owners? <br />Oh it was not the people that enslaved others, no no people are always free to do what they want no matter the pressure from outside or chains on their hands because Jesus set us free...<br /><br />"None of those are slaves because Christ died for our sins and conquered death."<br /><br />You just denied the history of slavery on earth! Tell me what color is the color of sky, no really? You not sure its green? I think its blue, oh i'm sorry i am forcing my beliefs onto you.<br /><br />"It appears that there are many things you do not understand."<br /><br />Yeah it must be me...<br /><br />" You simply do not understand my answer or do not like them, which is the reason you persist in argument"<br />I persist in an argument that is factually and historically correct.<br /><br />" It is because you do not understand this simple basic concept in Catholicism that perhaps your Catechists was correct in telling you to start over. "<br /><br />Oh my ,i have seen the light, you have convinced me. Now just tell me how is something that did not helped me in 6 years supposed to help me now? How much time should i waste listening to the same things and why exactly?<br />What will happen if i don't?<br />niinja2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-26303649811475488842015-06-02T18:57:01.000+10:002015-06-02T18:57:01.000+10:00Part two to Zoltan
I had a friend who suffered the...Part two to Zoltan<br />I had a friend who suffered the same treatment while she was going to psychologist. The same kind of treatment "we know you better then you know yourself" just by looking at her chart without even asking her questions about her condition. She spent some time there taking medication that did not help her. She finally found someone private psychologist who actually took the time and tested her and found that her problems were of a dietary nature.<br /><br />So i would argue that not all NCW communities are bad but the structure and the ideas, the design of NCW itself enables or supports this kind of behavior. Not to mention the statements from leaders themselves like if you try to run your own life you are told " are you God?" because only God can run our lives, because they are not really ours, God owns them it appears. And who is this God what do you think?niinja2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-88350115932111210722015-06-02T18:00:24.662+10:002015-06-02T18:00:24.662+10:00Dear Niinja2,
I never said that I FELT forced. ...Dear Niinja2, <br /><br />I never said that I FELT forced. I said that YOU are trying to FORCE people to accept your views and only your views. No one can control what I feel. Only I can control it. Have you not noticed that it is you who feel frustration because you feel that I am not answering your questions. <br /><br />You asked: "Really? People are good? Are people not sinful? Don't people do sinful acts?" <br /><br />The Catholic Church tells us that we are to love the sinner but hate the sin like Christ. Christ always love the sinner. There is a very big difference between the person (sinner) and the behavior (sinful act). Do you understand this?????? God loves you, but he does not love your behavior of forcing people to accept your views and only your views. <br /><br />I already answered your questions. You simply do not understand my answer or do not like them, which is the reason you persist in argument. It appears that there are many things you do not understand. For example, your statement about people being evil. Yes, people commit sins. We all do, but God and His Church told us to separate the people from sin. All people are sinners, but Christ told us to love them.....not because they are sinners, but because they were created good in God's image and likeness. It is through our free will that we become sinners. And Christ never told us to love sin......just the sinners. It is because you do not understand this simple basic concept in Catholicism that perhaps your Catechists was correct in telling you to start over. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-77095991230722674492015-06-02T16:51:50.983+10:002015-06-02T16:51:50.983+10:00Continued
I had a friend who suffered the same tr...Continued <br />I had a friend who suffered the same treatment while she was going to psychologist. The same kind of treatment "we know you better then you know yourself" just by looking at her chart without even asking her questions about her condition. She spent some time there taking medication that did not help her. She finally found someone private psychologist who actually took the time and tested her and found that her problems were of a dietary nature.<br /><br />So i would argue that not all NCW communities are bad but the structure and the ideas, the design of NCW itself enables or supports this kind of behavior. Not to mention the statements from leaders themselves like if you try to run your own life you are told " are you God?" because only God can run our lives, because they are not really ours, God owns them it appears. And who is this God what do you think?niinja2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-85236456870666840442015-06-02T16:51:40.814+10:002015-06-02T16:51:40.814+10:00"ZoltanJune 2, 2015 at 10:04 AM"
I comm..."ZoltanJune 2, 2015 at 10:04 AM"<br /><br />I commented yesterday but my comments were not posted.<br />All of the things you say about slavery and cults applied for NCW in the town where i was. I'm sorry its was just like that. You put an example of what community should be. <br />"It is not making decisions for you. But the catechists make some recommendations that you may not thought of before. "<br />Unfortunately its not that simple.<br /><br />Let me give you a few examples:<br />"You can leave and you might feel less pressure but one day in maybe 15 years something might happen..."<br />"God gives you freedom of choice and when you choose freely God will remove his hand from you to let you pick that choice"<br />"When catechist spoke to you, God spoke to you"<br />"Why do you ask so many questions? If you do not see Jesus on us, there is no point to nothing of this"<br />I will comment on the last statement: It appears that if someone is Jesus like it means i should not ask him any questions, i should uncritically accept everything he says. It appears that they are Jesus while the rest of us are just sinners. It appears that there is no point in me being there if i do not see them as Jesus whom i should obey like a soldier.<br />This statement is not about humility, its about power and control.<br />Obedience is emphasized. Why? How can freedom of choice exist in a place where to obey others will is morally right and therefore doing your own will is morally wrong. You can do what you want but it comes with a price. The longer you walk the way the more there are choices that come with a penalty, and the ones that don't are always somehow beneficial to be NCW.<br /><br />Let me tell you just this. 2 years after i left i still had a feeling inside me that if i met my catechist on the street and he tries to guilt trip me, i thought that i will brake emotionally in front of him. I was there for 6 years. Catechists simply have some kind of influence which make people submissive in their prescience.<br /><br />It is my idea that what happens on NCW is a psychological effect that CAN but it DOES NOT HAVE TO happen within hierarchies when a person removes itself of all responsibility because he is receiving instructions from infallible authority (God or catechist or Pope). The neocathecumens are obsessed with authority and every argument ends up with "authority sad so"<br />The communities lead themselves and after 10 years catechists only know the names of most of us because they are not involved in our lives. Neither are we in theirs.<br />This behavior is supported by the idea that God is intervening constantly and the He is the one taking care of the communities.<br />Abuse is supported by the idea that the pressure a person is receiving from others comes from God through which God changes your heart.<br />People engage into your personal space to "help" you because they think they are doing the work of the Lord. They are said that God will work through communities. But they fail to help you when you really ask them (some of the time). Its an excuse for people who like to meddle in other peoples lives. And an ego boost. And since God rectifies our mistakes and leads things we do not really have to pay attention or take responsibility if our "treatment" does not work, its probably that persons fault that it did not work, its always his fault, there is no shortcoming of excuses to support accusations.<br />What ultimately happens is that strong put pressure on the weak, the weak become strong , or they leave or they turn into people of broken will. What is left are the selected that will continue to spread the word of NCW. Its not love, its natural selection.<br />niinja2noreply@blogger.com