tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post6510308806950585146..comments2024-03-20T11:41:40.379+10:00Comments on Neocatechumenal Way - An Insider's View: NCW Is Reason For Jungle Opposition? Dianahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-78755912291360966082016-07-12T19:24:06.786+10:002016-07-12T19:24:06.786+10:00If Apuron hadn't threatened to sue and instead...If Apuron hadn't threatened to sue and instead acted like a pastor in the first place, like Cardinal Pell in Australia, we might not have even heard about any of this. If Hon hadn't kept the status quo and surrounded himself with the same people in the chancery who threatened canonical action against anyone who spoke up, no, we probably wouldn't be here. <br /><br />We do trust Pope Francis, but since he's not infallible except in matters of faith and morals, he's perfectly able to choose a man not up to the task. IIIlll IIll lllllIIlI IllIIIIIIlll lllllllIIIIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17556778190795586189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-77671292772450613292016-07-11T11:07:10.953+10:002016-07-11T11:07:10.953+10:00Dear anon at 8:10, then please try not to blame us...Dear anon at 8:10, then please try not to blame us for everything. You will be surprised how easy it is to stop sliming around the NCW.<br /><br />Sliming is defined as covering with a soft, moist, slippery and sometimes sticky matter.<br /><br />Read more at http://www.yourdictionary.com/slimingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-1854394112357376562016-07-11T11:02:05.023+10:002016-07-11T11:02:05.023+10:00"If there is such a rule, I cannot imagine Po..."If there is such a rule, I cannot imagine Pope Francis having seen it and approved of it."<br /><br />Dear Timothy, the Pope is in charge 100% in the investigation of any bishop charged with sexual abuse. That is why we trust Pope Francis and his appointed representative on Guam. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-85413322963280910682016-07-11T10:59:23.658+10:002016-07-11T10:59:23.658+10:00"Actually, that's not interference; it..."Actually, that's not interference; it's mercy."<br /><br />As the charges were raised to Rome by the accusers, the only place that mercy may come from is Rome. That is what they wanted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-90881981038204652162016-07-11T10:52:01.347+10:002016-07-11T10:52:01.347+10:00You see, anon 8:05, you try to make me look ridicu...You see, anon 8:05, you try to make me look ridiculous while it was THEM who used the word "deport" in context of the NCW. The barking of rabid dogs are like benevolent baby songs when compared to the calumnious language of Tommy Tanaka and Gerry Taitano of CCOG at Junglewatch. Rotfl. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-74345295129493718632016-07-11T10:18:35.162+10:002016-07-11T10:18:35.162+10:00Dear Timothy Guile,
You have no reason to doubt ...Dear Timothy Guile, <br /><br />You have no reason to doubt your student. Unfortunately, there are lingering doubts about the sexual allegations of the alleged victims. Do you think that showing comfort to the alleged victims will pacify them and the jungle? They not only want Archbishop Hon to show comfort to them, but they also want him to call for other victims to come forward. It is not going to end with a show of comfort. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-12021420033586545322016-07-11T09:58:52.641+10:002016-07-11T09:58:52.641+10:00Here follows an example from my own experience. On...Here follows an example from my own experience. Once an older student came to my office to speak to me about her coursework. In the run of the conversation, she said her husband had been a teacher. I said, well, maybe he could help her. Then she told me he had passed away due to chemical poisoning when an experiment went wrong during a lab. (He was a high school chemistry teacher.) As she told the story about how her husband died, she broke down in front of me. Professorial decorum says: don't touch a student. I ignored the rule and reached out for her hand to comfort her. She appreciated the comfort. Not having read the Vatican policy referred to by Anonymous at July 10, 3:42, I don't even know if there is a rule preventing ANY kind of contact between Archbishop Hon and Archbishop Apron's accusers. If there is such a rule, I cannot imagine Pope Francis having seen it and approved of it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16437625683522270930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-69892854218988128982016-07-11T08:28:21.968+10:002016-07-11T08:28:21.968+10:00Dear Anonymous at 8:10 am,
I publish your commen...Dear Anonymous at 8:10 am, <br /><br />I publish your comment as a post in the hopes of having a decent dialogue. I agree that you have been courteous and respectful. But as you can see, it takes time to establish unity and peace. We cannot accomplish it at a fast rate. It takes time to even establish trusting the other without thinking there may be a motive behind it. <br /><br />I have received much more hate comments and death threats, which I have not published on this blog at all. As much as I remind people to keep their language G-rated, humans will always be humans. We are all weak, and many times we simply need to forgive and move on. <br /><br />Tim has more gripe about the removal of Father Paul and Monsignor James than he does the so-called liturgical abuse of the Way. He either has a motive in inventing stories that Father Pius is in charge or he is delusional. Archbishop Apuron had always been in control. That is a fact. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-87431373616213664152016-07-11T08:10:21.869+10:002016-07-11T08:10:21.869+10:00Vomit? I've been nothing but courteous and res...Vomit? I've been nothing but courteous and respectful, and I have tried to raise the level of discourse to something above the playground level. So much for peace and unity. <br /><br />Wow, Diana. Quite a posse. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-27400143093914478162016-07-11T08:05:17.009+10:002016-07-11T08:05:17.009+10:00As I said above, you can sling that LMAO all you w...As I said above, you can sling that LMAO all you want. Do any of us really want Tim's plan to come about? If not, then stop underestimating the man and reducing what he's doing to some Donald Trump-ism. <br /><br />As for deportation, you can't deport an American citizen. Even illegal aliens know that much. <br /><br />Wow, dramatic much? What are you, in middle school?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-62771865349338201972016-07-11T08:01:44.023+10:002016-07-11T08:01:44.023+10:00Actually, that's not interference; it's me...Actually, that's not interference; it's mercy. I think that's Timothy's point. If what you say is true, then he's not an administrator at all, only a proxy for Abp Apuron, rather like a VP. If that's the case, then you make Tim Rohr's point for him by demonstrating that Hon isn't here to actually DO anything at all. Timothy Guile's request from Hon assumes that Hon is actually an archbishop (which he is) who as the administrator of an archdiocese (which he is) should at least be acting like a pastor. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-1905010764240625652016-07-11T07:44:12.512+10:002016-07-11T07:44:12.512+10:00You are right, Anonymous: I don't get it. I pr...You are right, Anonymous: I don't get it. I prefer humanity and pastoral care over legalisms, the Samaritan over the Levite.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16437625683522270930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-64831949363940032682016-07-11T05:26:03.233+10:002016-07-11T05:26:03.233+10:00As for anonymity, without it most of us wouldn'...As for anonymity, without it most of us wouldn't post at all. Neither of us can fault them for that. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-1485511264247119512016-07-11T05:05:45.134+10:002016-07-11T05:05:45.134+10:00"We read the Bible and the Church interprets ..."We read the Bible and the Church interprets it for us through the catechists."<br /><br />What type of training does one go through and how long does it take to be a catechist in the Way?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-45213970689906992812016-07-11T01:06:43.631+10:002016-07-11T01:06:43.631+10:00"Nor could they outlaw the NCW."
This w..."Nor could they outlaw the NCW."<br /><br />This would not prevent them from trying. Jungle has a contempt for the constitution and people's constitutional rights. Haven't noticed yet, my friend? Lol. <br /><br />"I'm pretty sure deportation wasn't on the agenda."<br /><br />Really? Then read what Tommy Tanaka vomits about NCW all the time. They sweat blood in their barren effort to link sexual allegations to the NCW. We exactly know why. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-5731071415391224872016-07-11T01:02:07.071+10:002016-07-11T01:02:07.071+10:00"Tim always seems 3 steps ahead..."
Oh ..."Tim always seems 3 steps ahead..."<br /><br />Oh really? Perhaps in muckraking, yes. Lmao.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-48863508438905761522016-07-11T00:59:14.050+10:002016-07-11T00:59:14.050+10:00I am talking about the anonymous comments publishe...I am talking about the anonymous comments published by Rohr directly insulting Archbishop Hon. I see more and more of it. It IS cowardice! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-52819132255918367272016-07-11T00:57:28.219+10:002016-07-11T00:57:28.219+10:00Timothy, you still don't get it. That would be...Timothy, you still don't get it. That would be interference at the local level, therefore not authorized. Everything associated with the accusations is taken directly by Rome. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-48611375457254191512016-07-10T23:48:46.713+10:002016-07-10T23:48:46.713+10:00Dear Anonymous at 11:07 pm,
Tim Rohr did say that...Dear Anonymous at 11:07 pm,<br /><br />Tim Rohr did say that he saw nothing wrong with selling the seminary. For three years, his frustration has only grown. Monsignor James and Father Paul has not been reinstated. The seminary has not shut down, and the NCW still exists.Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-62714381523814256162016-07-10T23:07:13.301+10:002016-07-10T23:07:13.301+10:00Um, I'm pretty sure deportation wasn't on ...Um, I'm pretty sure deportation wasn't on the agenda. Nor could they outlaw the NCW if they wanted to since NCW isn't a lay organization that can be banned in that way. As for selling the seminary, I keep hearing people say that's selling it is what Tim wants, but I haven't heard him say it or seen it written. If he has said so, then I'm the first to agree. Still, if the property is for a seminary (since that's why it was donated) and it's not used for that, then the property ceases to belong to the Archdiocese and can legally, at least canonically, be taken back. <br /><br />I'm pretty sure I've oversimplified here on those two. As for Hon, you're right--they have no respect. For the Archbishop, yes, it's escalated to the point of demanding his laicization. Right or wrong, that is where we are at.<br /><br />I'm glad you don't need any more explanations. Too bad a tidy little list is even more simplistic. And people wonder why Tim always seems 3 steps ahead...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-32250750139876366962016-07-10T22:14:04.458+10:002016-07-10T22:14:04.458+10:00Does Vatican policy prohibit Archbishop Hon from a...Does Vatican policy prohibit Archbishop Hon from acknowledging the presence of the accusers<br />and from listening to them? I hope not. Archbishop Hon does not need to make a pronouncement as to the authenticity of the accusations, rather only to listen to their story and administer some pastoral care. I trust when we make a man a cleric we have not gutted the heart out of a him.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16437625683522270930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-21154182620776131592016-07-10T21:29:48.678+10:002016-07-10T21:29:48.678+10:00"I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall...."I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall."<br /><br />Then try to talk to us and not vomit on us. Very simple, my friend... Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-50001320826765350232016-07-10T21:27:38.982+10:002016-07-10T21:27:38.982+10:00Dear anon at 8:04, no my friend, I exactly underst...Dear anon at 8:04, no my friend, I exactly understand you. I actually look through you and your intention. Only fools would think you are impartial when you repeat the same garbage that were fed into your mind by Rohr at the jungle. Rotfl!<br /><br />Your "I am not saying..." and "I only tell you what they think..." kind of fake sentences are the proof that you look down on us, taking us as fools. No my friend, we are no fools! The fools are not here, but at the other blog. Feel free to go back there. Lol.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-85314732588999125782016-07-10T20:49:35.096+10:002016-07-10T20:49:35.096+10:00Cowardice? No, he's pretty matter of fact abou...Cowardice? No, he's pretty matter of fact about his contempt, and he's not doing it anonymously. So he's not a coward. But He is rude, disrespectful, somewhat foulmouthed, and definitely opinionated. I'm with you there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-61444769087435284212016-07-10T20:04:11.290+10:002016-07-10T20:04:11.290+10:0010:53 here. I'll say it again: I am not saying...10:53 here. I'll say it again: I am not saying Fr Pius is in some de facto control nor that NCW has bad theology. I'm saying Tim believes that down to his core. That's my whole point--Tim's motivation. And once again, you aren't reading what I'm saying, just reacting to what you think is an attack and persecution. It's amazing to me how readers here and at the Jungle keep doing this same thing again and again and again. <br /><br />And for the record, yes, Tim was initially supportive. But HE has made it clear that once all these instructions came down about approval (or non-approval) of the liturgical and non-liturgical practices of the Way, that's when he changed his mind (again, his opinion and therefore his motivation). That's why he goes on over and over again about "Where's the Vatican document that gives approval to your liturgy?" No one, not the Archbishop or anyone else, has shown him a specific instruction, just a statement from various officials saying it's ok. For him, that's not a satisfier. <br /><br />It's like how he went to the Latin Rite mass for years and took heat for it because no one had "approved" it (it needed the bishop's approval, that's all). But once Tim had the Motu Proprio from Pope Benedict, then he had an instruction and that's that. So he's looking for something like that for the NCW. <br /><br />As usual, I'll bow out of the discussion since most of the time I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com