tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post648939443488476876..comments2024-03-20T11:41:40.379+10:00Comments on Neocatechumenal Way - An Insider's View: The Danger of Pride. Dianahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-13359914009391348022014-03-17T19:55:03.923+10:002014-03-17T19:55:03.923+10:00Dear Zoltan,
Tim Rohr is now clarifying it in his...Dear Zoltan, <br />Tim Rohr is now clarifying it in his own post in Junglewatch. And he's interpreting your post the way he wants it. If you don't mind, I will print your comment in a new post to show how it is being taken out of context and misinterpreted for his own purpose. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-75194692787114873662014-03-17T17:14:45.172+10:002014-03-17T17:14:45.172+10:00Here is a comment from last Saturday, under the sa...Here is a comment from last Saturday, under the same post:<br /><br />"Anonymous March 15, 2014 at 10:34 PM<br /><br />I also didn't see Zoltan saying the neo-catechumenate movement isn't Catholic. I don't like the NCW either but, Tim, please clarify."<br /><br />Of course, Tim was not able to clarify.Zoltanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10881244654285854387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-86134631540353232582014-03-17T17:07:18.583+10:002014-03-17T17:07:18.583+10:00(typos corrected) Peter, there were between 20-25 ...(typos corrected) Peter, there were between 20-25 comments posted on Junglewatch between 11:19 a.m. and 10:00 p.m. yesterday. It is undeniable that my response was delayed deliberately. This level of intellectual dishonesty reveals an unparallelled obsession with the Way. This very unique and characteristic obsession is shared by almost all anonymous comments at JungleWatch.Zoltanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10881244654285854387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-18131008878295701052014-03-17T15:41:54.588+10:002014-03-17T15:41:54.588+10:00Another way to say this, the footprints point to o...Another way to say this, the footprints point to one single (and always the same) JungleWatch author.Zoltanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10881244654285854387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-53530010786011641132014-03-17T14:37:23.025+10:002014-03-17T14:37:23.025+10:00Dear Peter Palomo,
It's not the screening tha...Dear Peter Palomo, <br />It's not the screening that I see as the problem. It's what he writes. For example, one of the topic of his posts states that "Zoltan confirms that the Neocatechumenal Way is not Catholic." Zoltan never said such a thing. In fact, he finished his comment with "We ask you to, please, respect our community based Catholic lifestyle." Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-76703838647126220142014-03-17T11:38:11.166+10:002014-03-17T11:38:11.166+10:00Exactly Peter, Zoltan and Diana - Tim twist what y...Exactly Peter, Zoltan and Diana - Tim twist what you states. Please be careful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-39863393099278351792014-03-17T11:35:04.077+10:002014-03-17T11:35:04.077+10:00Really Zoltan someone disagree with Tim? I hardly ...Really Zoltan someone disagree with Tim? I hardly go to his blog. Please do share.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-35746257449825720692014-03-17T11:16:51.020+10:002014-03-17T11:16:51.020+10:00In defense of Tim, i doubt he screens his site 24/...In defense of Tim, i doubt he screens his site 24/7 as he has a life. To say that he is manipulating the output to his site in other ways than what he openly prescribes and screens to be suitable material then it is really reaching to a conclusion without facts. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04208892712393987825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-40474060308104415212014-03-17T09:14:13.010+10:002014-03-17T09:14:13.010+10:00This is correct! But you cannot reach this kind of...This is correct! But you cannot reach this kind of agreement over at JungleWatch, as Tim is jealously preventing any meaningful exchange of thoughts. His dishonesty is revealed, for example, by the time stamps that clearly show his delaying tactics and manipulations with the comments other people make. <br /><br />Here is the evidence: the comment I sent to him was published here at 9:50 p.m. yesterday, because JungleWatch did not allow it to appear. It was not there at Tim's blog even after 10:00 p.m. last night, when I checked. Now, Tim wanted to cover up his censuring activity by publishing my comment -- afterwards. Yes, some time after 10:00 p.m. yesterday. However, the original time stamp when I submitted the comment showed up as 11:19 a.m.!! Wow, what a blunder, Tim! This is the way you work. <br /><br />If you have time, please check out that what I am saying here are the facts. Zoltanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10881244654285854387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-65201940688770624212014-03-17T07:51:06.351+10:002014-03-17T07:51:06.351+10:00Dear Peter Palomo,
Thank you for the clarificati...Dear Peter Palomo, <br /><br />Thank you for the clarification. You are correct that the NCW uses, implements, and even adapt certain rites just as the Statutes and Father Neil pointed out. Because we use rites, the NCW can be compared to others who also uses rites. Opus Dei is also not a rite; yet, Tim Rohr says that the NCW cannot be compared to a rite. And this was what I was responding to. In his letter, Father Neil also did not compare the NCW to a rite. He compared it to the Opus Dei who also uses and implements certain rites. <br /><br />Therefore, I will correct myself. The NCW uses rites just as the Opus Dei and therefore the NCW can be compared to the Opus Dei just as Father Neil did in his letter. Both Opus Dei and the NCW have their own liturgical rites that they use, which is appropriate for them. <br /><br />Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-25691121598812235072014-03-17T07:22:12.018+10:002014-03-17T07:22:12.018+10:00The NCW uses, implements, the Rites of Baptism, RC...The NCW uses, implements, the Rites of Baptism, RCIA, Penance, derived from the Roman/Latin formation of Liturgical Rites in the formation of one's faith. However is the NCW in ITSELF a Rite? <br /><br />http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/catholic_rites_and_churches.htm<br /><br />Or is it a device/organization for the "Itinerary of Catholic Formation"? as NCW itself expresses itself to be:<br /><br />http://www.camminoneocatecumenale.it/new/default.asp?lang=en&page=statuti<br /><br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04208892712393987825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-84312660911716082732014-03-16T22:31:58.906+10:002014-03-16T22:31:58.906+10:00I completely agree with you, dear Diana. He acts a...I completely agree with you, dear Diana. He acts as if his blog would be an alternative universe, where he can hide away from the reality and distort everything to the point where it only reflects his own mind. Even his own followers question him recently and express their disagreement.Zoltanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10881244654285854387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-9506318583176854762014-03-16T22:24:31.925+10:002014-03-16T22:24:31.925+10:00Dear Zoltan,
I published your second comment. Y...Dear Zoltan, <br /><br />I published your second comment. Your comment here deals with mission families. If anyone responds with name calling, it will not be published. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-24447863835371730762014-03-16T22:17:27.253+10:002014-03-16T22:17:27.253+10:00Dear Zoltan,
As you can already see, Tim Rohr que...Dear Zoltan, <br />As you can already see, Tim Rohr questioned Father Neil who has a Ph.D in Liturgy as though he knows more about Liturgy than he does. Rohr said that Father Neil was wrong to compare the NCW to others with rites because the NCW is not a rite. <br /><br />I said this before....I don't think Tim Rohr is interested in knowing the truth about the Neocatechumenal Way. He has already made up his mind about it. So, even if the Pope came out and said that the Way has no liturgical abuses, it will not change his mind. This is why I refuse to meet with him. He is only interested in knowing who I am, and my identity has nothing to do with what I posting on the Statutes or Father Neil's letter. <br />Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-38819568602833885012014-03-16T21:53:04.020+10:002014-03-16T21:53:04.020+10:00The second comment that was not allowed to appear ...The second comment that was not allowed to appear was to a certain Oleg, who made accusations based mainly on misinformation:<br /><br />"Oleg, why do you speak like that? I did not invade anybody, I am living and working on Guam. The Pope just approved 75 mission families from the Way to go to China, India, etc. for mission. See here:<br /><br />"The Holy Father, with a special prayer and a solemn blessing, will send about 75 families who have offered their willingness to leave everything (work, home, family... ) and go on a mission in any city in the world."<br /><br />Text from page http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2014/01/15/pope_francis_to_meet_neo-catechumens_on_february_1/in2-764294<br />of the Vatican Radio website<br /><br />FYI my community in Chalan Pago will support 2 or 3 mission families from our own members who responded to the calling!<br /><br />As about the Catechetical Directory, as you call it, it is a guide for the catechists. It is, in fact, not commercially available. Is this a problem for you? Do you want to join the catechists?"<br />Zoltanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10881244654285854387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-87843011337379224172014-03-16T21:50:28.548+10:002014-03-16T21:50:28.548+10:00Dear Diana, I am afraid, people at the JungleWatch...Dear Diana, I am afraid, people at the JungleWatch would not pay attention to Fr. Neil's thorough arguments. There is a totally dishonest atmosphere there, people are making comments that absolutely make no sense, other play roles... I was engaged again into discussion, but then my responses are not published. This is how Tim Rohr operates his blog over there. <br /><br />If you allow me, I would like to place here two of my responses that were censured out from Tim's blog. So these are comments that I made, but were not allowed to appear. The first is a direct response to Tim about unity in the Church:<br /><br />"Tim, we are members of the same Body, that of our Christ. We are all unified in the Eucharist, when we are one unit, one big community, one Church. We receive and consume the Body as one! The Church regulates small faith communities properly:<br /><br />"The community includes single people, single parents and their children, godparents, relatives, neighbors, or anyone called to share in family life. Not all members must live under one roof, but all the members should be trying to share daily God's word, the Eucharists, prayer, time, possessions, and meals with at least some of the community's members."<br /><br />http://www.presentationministries.com/brochures/IntroCommunity.asp<br /><br />You misinterpret what I am saying. I have never said the Way is not Catholic What I said is the exact opposite! Please, do not give false interpretations and distortions to your readers."<br />Zoltanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10881244654285854387noreply@blogger.com