tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post642794171331442242..comments2024-03-20T11:41:40.379+10:00Comments on Neocatechumenal Way - An Insider's View: The Virtue Of ObedienceDianahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-58117992034387530262014-07-02T13:25:21.992+10:002014-07-02T13:25:21.992+10:00Dear Anonymous at 11:52 am,
You do not speak for...Dear Anonymous at 11:52 am, <br /><br />You do not speak for everyone in the parish. Speak only for yourself.Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-34747172136610678832014-07-02T11:52:57.191+10:002014-07-02T11:52:57.191+10:00If the parishioners didn't want the NCW in the...If the parishioners didn't want the NCW in the parish so be it!<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-11647672575575574962014-07-02T10:42:53.389+10:002014-07-02T10:42:53.389+10:00Dear anonymous at 7:38 am,
Are you saying that Po...Dear anonymous at 7:38 am,<br /><br />Are you saying that Pope Francis ceased the investigations without even looking at the allegations? To cease the investigations without looking at the allegations and reports that were collected would be a gross negligence on his part. If you feel that the NCW is in violations, write to the Nuncio.<br /><br />By the way, the papal nuncio in the U.S. Celebrated the NCW Mass, and there was no problem and no complaints from the nuncio.Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-25808174092075749452014-07-02T10:31:09.893+10:002014-07-02T10:31:09.893+10:00Dear Anonymous at 7:53 am,
The Pope is not stupid...Dear Anonymous at 7:53 am,<br /><br />The Pope is not stupid. He knows that it is not the fault of the people if Kiko actually led them astray. All the Pope had to do is excommunicate Kiko, and the rest of the flock will leave him. But instead, the Pope gave him a position.Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-40507151756153455272014-07-02T07:53:24.802+10:002014-07-02T07:53:24.802+10:00Dear Diane,
You say that the NCW would have been e...Dear Diane,<br />You say that the NCW would have been excommunicated if they were disobedient. - There would not be many left in the Catholic Church if this were true. Most of us are disobedient in one way or another; but, God in His Mercy, gently tries to sway us back. 1 million members excommunicated??? Do you really think the Pope would do that and risk a schism??? Would he not gently try to lift the blindness from our eyes. Would he not try to melt the hardness of our hearts???? Would he not try to straighten the bend reed without breaking it????<br />Courage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-83290562041826760082014-07-02T07:38:38.672+10:002014-07-02T07:38:38.672+10:00Dear Diane,
Yes, if I attend a Latin, regular, or ...Dear Diane,<br />Yes, if I attend a Latin, regular, or Byzantine, or Novus Ordo Mass I would see differences. But each must be obedient to the instructions laid down for them..<br />The difference is the NCW is not following the instructions from the Pope. The Pope did not give the NCW the recognitio - written permission to retain the many additions and deletions in their Mass. Kiko apparently didn't want to be a different rite. Therefore, the NCW should be following the Roman Rite as per the Roman Missal/GIRM - no additions or deletions.<br />Your comment " So, he looked at the liturgical abuse allegations, found them to be unfounded and ceased all the investigations " is itself unfounded. Pope Francis NEVER SAID THE LITURGICAL ABUSE ALLEGATIONS WERE UNFOUNDED. The NCW is saying that.<br />May truth prevail.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-32618515980107013732014-07-02T05:57:51.905+10:002014-07-02T05:57:51.905+10:00Dear Anonymous at 4:29 a.m.,
Cardinal Arinze'...Dear Anonymous at 4:29 a.m., <br /><br />Cardinal Arinze's letter was written in 2005. It is now 2014. Nine years have passed. If we have been in disobedience all this time, the NCW would have been excommunicated. But it is not. Rather, an investigation was conducted by Pope Benedict XVI. Since that time, nothing ever came of the investigation. Why? Because all the complaints you have been giving to the Nuncio were all unfounded. <br /><br />By the time Francis became Pope, he ceased all investigations on the Way. I'm sure that Pope Francis is not going to cease the investigation without first looking the allegations. To do so would be a gross negligence on his part. So, he looked at the liturgical abuse allegations, found them to be unfounded and ceased all the investigations. <br /><br />The NCW is following all the instructions from the Pope just as the Pope instructed Kiko. The NCW all around the world does their Eucharist exactly the same way regardless of what country it is on. <br /><br />The Mass does belong to Christ, but if you attend a Latin Mass and a regular Mass, you know that they are not exactly the same. If you attend a Byzantine Catholic Mass, it is also very different than the Novus Ordo mass. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-59279997102398062462014-07-02T05:48:16.255+10:002014-07-02T05:48:16.255+10:00Dear Anonymous at 11:11 p.m.,
A priest is a diff...Dear Anonymous at 11:11 p.m., <br /><br />A priest is a different story. He made a vow of obedience to the Archbishop. So, if the Archbishop tells the priest to open his parish to the NCW, he should do so. Read what I posted on the" Virtue of Obedience", and then read my last post on "Cardinal Arinze on Obedience". Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-21031900969104095572014-07-02T04:29:51.258+10:002014-07-02T04:29:51.258+10:00Dear Diane
The Way is not following what Cardinal ...Dear Diane<br />The Way is not following what Cardinal Arinze, - on behalf of the Pope - directed them. They misinterpreted the directions validating themselves. Wrong is still wrong.<br />Pope Francis is a no-nonsense , no frills, no needless extras type of guy. It just is common sense that he would cease all investigations of the Way, when there is "already" a tremendous amount of information on the liturgical abuses that still remain in the Way's Mass.<br />Let us ask that the Holy Spirit grant us wisdom to know God's will, and the strength and courage to do God's will. May hardness of heart be removed.<br />Many involved in the Neo groups are having second thoughts of the way they celebrate Mass. They are waiting for Kiko's instructions to change. Why wait? The Mass "belongs" to Christ and not to any particular group. May we all be one. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-72009670256150870332014-07-01T23:11:29.736+10:002014-07-01T23:11:29.736+10:00Diana, you CANNOT FORCE a person to join The NCW i...Diana, you CANNOT FORCE a person to join The NCW if the person does not believe in it. I really don't care if it is the priest! DO NOT FORCE! It's like a dictatorship....DO THIS OR ELSE!<br /><br />How do you know the priest copied and passed it out? It may have been leaked out. It may have been leaked out by someone in the chancery way back when!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-43578846137248271002014-07-01T19:52:07.175+10:002014-07-01T19:52:07.175+10:00Dear Anonymous at 3:42 p.m.,
Why were the letter...Dear Anonymous at 3:42 p.m., <br /><br />Why were the letters even in the hands of the parishioners in the first place. Is it not because the priest could not follow his vow of obedience he made to the Archbishop? So, he made copies to be distributed to the parishioners in the hopes of people uprising against the Archbishop whom he swore obedience to?? It sounds to me more like a betrayal. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-76555709879254261212014-07-01T19:48:07.468+10:002014-07-01T19:48:07.468+10:00Dear Anonymous at 3:09 p.m.,
Your weblink says no...Dear Anonymous at 3:09 p.m.,<br /><br />Your weblink says nothing about the NCW. You are only repeating the things that have been said in 2005 and 2006. This is 2014. The things that were in Cardinal Arinze's letter is already being followed in the Way. Why do you think Pope Francis ceased all investigations of the Way?Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-15038441636871327672014-07-01T15:42:51.486+10:002014-07-01T15:42:51.486+10:00The copies sent out to the three Filipino priests ...The copies sent out to the three Filipino priests were in the hands of the parishioners. Why do you think we protested?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-42835224847477426722014-07-01T11:02:25.644+10:002014-07-01T11:02:25.644+10:00Dear Anonymous at 10:09 am,
One is not supposed t...Dear Anonymous at 10:09 am,<br /><br />One is not supposed to go against their MORAL conscience. If a bishop tells a priest to murder someone, that would be asking to go against their moral conscience. When a bishop tells a priest to open his parish to the NCW, that is within the boundary of his office and the Church. The NCW is accepted by the Church; therefore, a priest should have no problem accepting it. As for those so-called liturgical abuses, the Holy See is fully aware of those unfounded allegations, which is why Pope Francis dismissed the investigations. They are nothing but unfounded allegations. The Way is very strong in Rome, so if there is a problem with how we do the Eucharist, they should have said something by now. Instead, they ceased all investigations.Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-4497132356720999602014-07-01T10:09:23.611+10:002014-07-01T10:09:23.611+10:00So, if a priest believes that to support the NCW w...So, if a priest believes that to support the NCW would be to violate their own conscience?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-13750934218118239382014-07-01T06:54:33.116+10:002014-07-01T06:54:33.116+10:00Dear Anonymous at 6:44 a.m.,
This only goes to s...Dear Anonymous at 6:44 a.m., <br /><br />This only goes to show that you did not read my post. I wrote in my post that if a priest sexually abused you, you report him to the civil authorities. I also stated in one of my comments that if a priest tells you to murder, then one does not need to obey that priest. A person cannot go against their moral conscience. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-13839857004620421092014-07-01T06:44:53.088+10:002014-07-01T06:44:53.088+10:00And so if the Abishop tells a priest to commit mur...And so if the Abishop tells a priest to commit murder, rape, or go against the teachings of the Church, or even follow Satanic practice, then what? Obedience? Get your head out of the clouds.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-74029043448030989182014-07-01T06:13:18.396+10:002014-07-01T06:13:18.396+10:00United- Enough with your lies. LARRY CLAROS was in...United- Enough with your lies. LARRY CLAROS was in the WAY before he became a DEACON. HOW DO I KNOW THIS? I'M HIS PERSONAL FRIEND.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-23704814406860407052014-07-01T00:29:02.537+10:002014-07-01T00:29:02.537+10:00When you get an illegal copy of a document, you ar...When you get an illegal copy of a document, you are not free to publish at your will. Stop insanity!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-43040995720869587222014-07-01T00:21:09.958+10:002014-07-01T00:21:09.958+10:00Fr Paul was suspended because he apparently harbor...Fr Paul was suspended because he apparently harbored a potential sexual predator on church property. The case is in Rome and the verdict will be announced from there. Are you impatient to wait for the decision, dear United?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-15171154245054883012014-06-30T23:09:18.833+10:002014-06-30T23:09:18.833+10:00Dear Anonymous at 11:00 p.m.,
By distributing co...Dear Anonymous at 11:00 p.m., <br /><br />By distributing copies of this letter to several people shows that the intention of this priest is to sow division in the Church. Rather than being obedient to the Archbishop, he does this to get the people to rally support for him against the Archbishop. What other purpose would there be? Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-40364597482833171362014-06-30T23:00:01.970+10:002014-06-30T23:00:01.970+10:00I don't know how Tim Rohr got his copies of th...I don't know how Tim Rohr got his copies of the letters to the priests but I saw a copy of one of the letters 6 years ago. A parishioner said the priest had made photocopies and given copies to several people. This person was one of them and showed it to me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-51147977567506343212014-06-30T22:56:05.702+10:002014-06-30T22:56:05.702+10:00Dear Catholics United,
A deacon also takes a vow...Dear Catholics United, <br /><br />A deacon also takes a vow of obedience to the Archbishop. If the Archbishop tells him to go to another parish, he must obey, and if the Archbishop tells him to join a community, he must also obey him. What the Archbishop ask is within the boundary of his office and of the Catholic Church. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-31515734907649347792014-06-30T22:53:06.039+10:002014-06-30T22:53:06.039+10:00Dear Catholics United,
I am certain that Father...Dear Catholics United, <br /><br />I am certain that Father Paul makes excellent homily. However, I disagree with you when you say that the Popes can be wrong. In matters of faith and morals, the Pope with the teaching Magisterium is never wrong because they have infallibility. In other things such as sports, medicine, science, and politics, the pope can be wrong. It is only in matters of faith and morals that the Pope has infallibility. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-88532121261911273892014-06-30T19:55:32.037+10:002014-06-30T19:55:32.037+10:00"A layperson cannot be forced to join the Way..."A layperson cannot be forced to join the Way" Not true. <br /><br />Ask Deacon Claros. He was forced to join the NCW against his will because ultimately the diocese would not allow him to go into the Dioconate unless he joined a community. Catholics Unitednoreply@blogger.com