tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post5770144789195014850..comments2024-03-20T11:41:40.379+10:00Comments on Neocatechumenal Way - An Insider's View: Pope Francis Backs the Neocatechumenal Way LiturgyDianahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-6549941380247454222014-05-22T18:36:55.649+10:002014-05-22T18:36:55.649+10:00Dear Anonymous at 2:02,
How is the Way against ...Dear Anonymous at 2:02, <br /><br />How is the Way against the Catholic Church?. We have not even been excommunicated like the SSPX. The letter is clear in that it never had anything to do with a "rebuke" or "reprimand." According to the Archbishop's letter to Kiko (the capitalization is my emphasis): <br /><br />"I have to assure you that Pope Francis has considered carefully what you explained and wishes to confirm, as he has already expressed in the context of the Audience and of His Speech on February 1st, His paternal closeness and His LOVING ENCOURAGEMENT to you and to all adherents to the Way." <br /><br />"Loivng encouragement" is not a "rebuke" or even a "warning." Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-75321795260463749422014-05-22T16:07:58.124+10:002014-05-22T16:07:58.124+10:00@ Diana on May 21, 2:02
The NCW is against the Ca...@ Diana on May 21, 2:02<br /><br />The NCW is against the Catholic Church. You are either nieve or ignorant to not see that Kiko manipulates people in the way, and he distorts the words from the Pope for his personal gain. Have an open mind DianaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-19362531391747145802014-05-21T23:44:08.354+10:002014-05-21T23:44:08.354+10:00Dear 12:30pm,
There is no evil in my mind, becaus...Dear 12:30pm,<br /><br />There is no evil in my mind, because evil does not exist in my heart over this matter. So I will just ignore the rest of your comment.<br /><br />Rather than questioning my motives you should be grasping the reality, the truth that I had shared. Those are all real and I can say that I was a witness to it all.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-24767674300360809002014-05-21T22:45:04.713+10:002014-05-21T22:45:04.713+10:00Dear Anonymous at 6:21 p.m.,
Pope Francis said t...Dear Anonymous at 6:21 p.m., <br /><br />Pope Francis said to spread the Gospel of Christ. A person does not have to be a saint to do that. That is actually our duty as baptized Catholics. The Gospel of Christ is love. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-90670316288377777072014-05-21T18:21:50.250+10:002014-05-21T18:21:50.250+10:00Wow Diana,
"Like St. John, Kiko had a more i...Wow Diana,<br /><br />"Like St. John, Kiko had a more important message to deliver than the doctrines of Purgatory."<br /><br />Seems like you already consider Kiko a Saint. Your like a bottomless well of distorted information.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-76333957415054820452014-05-21T16:28:34.061+10:002014-05-21T16:28:34.061+10:00Dear Catholics United,
The Kerygma is to preach ...Dear Catholics United, <br /><br />The Kerygma is to preach the Gospel of Christ especially in the manner of the Early Church. The Gospel of Christ is about mankind's salvation and how Christ redeemed us. Below is a letter from St. John: <br /><br />1 John 5:11-13 And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.<br /><br />Did St. John say anything in here about Purgatory? No, he didn't. But that does not mean that St. John did not believe in Purgatory. Like St. John, Kiko had a more important message to deliver than the doctrines of Purgatory. The Gospel of Christ speaks of God's love for mankind that He gave His only Begotten Son that whoever believes in Him will have eternal life. <br /><br />By the way, I stand corrected. It is an article written by Chuck White and published on Junglewatch. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-33184191857527978222014-05-21T16:25:32.077+10:002014-05-21T16:25:32.077+10:00Wow Tim White Kitty Rohr and Chucky White twist th...Wow Tim White Kitty Rohr and Chucky White twist things. There's a word for that. SLANDER!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-11861278006108878742014-05-21T16:05:55.592+10:002014-05-21T16:05:55.592+10:00"Kiko never said anything about Purgatory&quo..."Kiko never said anything about Purgatory" Thats what i believe Chuck White was getting at.<br /><br /> Kiko says you sleep and you wake up in Paradise. There is no Purgatory in Kiko's explanation of death. Page 227 of the NCW directory. i have this book by the way and just read through that section. Did Kiko just forget about Purgatory?<br /><br />Further, the article is a report/report from Chuck White's analysis of the contents of the Kerigma as published vol.1<br /><br />-Catholics United-<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-77603906221234318742014-05-21T14:26:10.301+10:002014-05-21T14:26:10.301+10:00Anon 11:59 a.m. : Here is my own blog, if you wann...Anon 11:59 a.m. : Here is my own blog, if you wanna read. ;)<br /><br />http://neocatheart.blogspot.com/2014/05/my-sweet-lord-part-2-tim-rohrs.htmlZoltanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10881244654285854387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-30686652835572035732014-05-21T14:08:09.519+10:002014-05-21T14:08:09.519+10:00Dear Anonymous at 2:02 p.m.,
Like I said, I thin...Dear Anonymous at 2:02 p.m., <br /><br />Like I said, I think you are overreacting over a misspelling. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-61599325700180933392014-05-21T14:05:36.838+10:002014-05-21T14:05:36.838+10:00Anon 11:59 a.m. : Which paper, I pray?! I haven...Anon 11:59 a.m. : Which paper, I pray?! I haven't written any paper. What are you talking about? Please, enlighten me. Thanks.<br /><br />By the way, I am an American. I see differences between the Guamanian and American culture, that is for sure. If you want to discuss that, I would be glad. Just let me know, please, okay? Cheers!Zoltanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10881244654285854387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-51714025193537768252014-05-21T14:02:45.379+10:002014-05-21T14:02:45.379+10:00This is why you are afforded little to no credibil...This is why you are afforded little to no credibility. The "misspellings" happens consistently throughout the comment. The fact that you dismiss this obvious gesture says a lot about your lack of integrity. Whether you post and acknowledge this comment or not will speak to your humility. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-10666215816454121082014-05-21T14:02:07.704+10:002014-05-21T14:02:07.704+10:00Dear Anonymous at 12:32 p.m.,
When a Catholic go...Dear Anonymous at 12:32 p.m., <br /><br />When a Catholic goes against another group of Catholics, they are only going against the Church and against themselves. My blogsite is not against the Traditional Catholics. Rather, it defends the Neocatechumenal Way, who are Catholics. <br /><br />Junglewatch is clearly and openly against the Neocatechumenal Way. In his comments, Tim even says that the Way follows ANOTHER Magisterium. I never made such comments like that about the Traditional Catholics. The Traditional Catholics are still part of the Catholic Church. <br />Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-13475866738858726242014-05-21T13:56:12.644+10:002014-05-21T13:56:12.644+10:00Dear Anonymous at 12:30 p.m.,
I think you are ov...Dear Anonymous at 12:30 p.m., <br /><br />I think you are overreacting over a misspelling. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-38256203831671357812014-05-21T12:32:01.779+10:002014-05-21T12:32:01.779+10:00Diana, Tim and the majority of contributors on Jun...Diana, Tim and the majority of contributors on Jungle Watch are Catholic. By your standards, your negating of Jungle Watch makes you anti-Catholic as well; or is there a double standard? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-13615403153101875582014-05-21T12:30:22.412+10:002014-05-21T12:30:22.412+10:00Evil has entered the mind of anon of 2:34 and 2:35...Evil has entered the mind of anon of 2:34 and 2:35. Purposely misspelling Tim and Chuck's name to malign who they are? Anything else you have to say is now moot. And you allow it on your blog Diana? Who is the hypocrite now?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-52214925884788240182014-05-21T11:59:41.067+10:002014-05-21T11:59:41.067+10:00Zoltan,
I'm not asking, I'm sharing with ...Zoltan,<br /><br />I'm not asking, I'm sharing with you that I read your paper, and that it was really bad. Not that you posted anything. Hopefully it's just a language barrier, but if it's just that, then you have no ability to write about another culture, in a language you struggle with.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-58412976979744643512014-05-21T11:38:39.217+10:002014-05-21T11:38:39.217+10:00Dear Anonymous at 11:20,
That is because It was ...Dear Anonymous at 11:20, <br /><br />That is because It was not about Purgatory. I saw Tim's recent blog on Purgatory. and he took something from Kiko's statement. Kiko never said anything about Purgatory. The "Purgatory" came from Tim Rohr. <br /><br />It was the same thing he did when I was answering my own question. I never said anything about the hierarchy of the Catholic Church. I answered my own question, and he took my response and made it as though I was speaking about the hierarchy of the Catholic Church all along. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-46714628350885158132014-05-21T11:30:03.755+10:002014-05-21T11:30:03.755+10:00So provide proof to your opinions.So provide proof to your opinions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-80377412222176452552014-05-21T11:27:22.235+10:002014-05-21T11:27:22.235+10:00Dear Anonymous at 2:34 a.m.,
I am aware that all...Dear Anonymous at 2:34 a.m., <br /><br />I am aware that all the things he post on his blogsite are all from anti-Catholic websites. I have seen the latest one on "Purgatory." Tim Rohr has never been to a catechesis to see for himself what the Way actually teaches. His followers are being deceived by someone who has never been to a catechesis and only gets his information on anti-Catholic websites. I call them anti-Catholic because those walking in the Way are Catholics. <br /><br />I chose not to post in Junglewatch because I already saw the results. Because I walk in the Way, I have first hand experience of what I hear in the catechesis and of what the NCW teaches. Tim Rohr did not want to hear about it. Instead, he focused on trying to figure out who I am. Like you, they also accused me of being a priest, Some of them actually think that I am a male, <br /><br />Tim Rohr and his followers are not interested in true dialogue. They only look at what is written down. They don't even know that the Japanese Catholics in Japan also have permission from the Pope not to kneel in adoration to the Blessed sacrament despite that it is not written down. In Japanese culture, kneeling is the same as sitting and considered rude. So, they are allowed to stand. But Tim Rohr would accuse them of going against Catholic teaching. <br /><br />Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-84579522932321242492014-05-21T11:20:08.243+10:002014-05-21T11:20:08.243+10:00I don't remember anything about cathechisist a...I don't remember anything about cathechisist about purgatory? This is absurd. Been in the way for 2 decadeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-47616318780875394562014-05-21T02:35:00.632+10:002014-05-21T02:35:00.632+10:00continued...
Now to the TLM which I also have fir...continued...<br /><br />Now to the TLM which I also have first hand experience with people who are regular attendees there. I was once told that I can only fully worship God at the TLM. I wasnt even in a community at that time but I knew very well that this was not true. Now that I hear the criticisms against people in the NCW who come off like this, I am constantly reminded of the attitude also of those who attend the TLM. I once asked Tihm, why is it wrong for the NCW but okay for those who prefer the TLM to be like this? Again, he didnt post my comment. I know the TLM is not a movement or group of the Church but those who attend that Form of the one Rite, tend to reveal themselves as individuals who know more and are at a higher level than those who attend a parish mass. I was once told that heaven can only be found during a TLM, what? hello! Tihm went on to say that most of those who attend the TLM were kicked out of their parish. Well I know first hand experience that no one is ever kicked out, you removed yourself, and what it comes down to is that you probably didnt get what you wanted. I know of a situation where some people who were involved in a particular parish on Guam where asked to step down but only because they were already forcefully imposing their personal practices onto others and requiring it at that too. Because of the patrons of the TLMs forceful tactics I decided to challenge Tihm because he claims that the NCW forces themselves onto others, this is not true, if this was the case I would have been in a community way longer, but I was never forced.<br />You see I am not new to the righteousness of Tihm. I also witnessed an online debate between Tihm and Chuk in response to a comment made from Father Mike in regards to the same attitude I have shared of the TLM patrons. Well, Im pretty sure that they have made peace by now but you should have seen the viciousness of the two when challenged by the Priest Mike. This comment was again denied by Tihm and was not posted.<br />I hope those of you really see who is fooling who. This is why Diana, this is why I cannot stay away from junglewach. It is not fair for the faithful to be fooled by these individuals who think that they are at the top of the list of those entering heaven. How I wish I was there too, but I can wait at the end of the line. <br /><br />Its constantly being shared on junglewach that we must be attentive to the wolves in sheepskin and that it was said that there will be one who will try to destroy the church from within. Well, I dont think it is the NCW, because according to Tihm the NCW are not within, we have excluded ourselves.<br />Sorry for taking up alot and this post will probably invite a long line of people who will challenge my anonymity but I only do this to reveal the truth about the tactics of junglewach and the truth that the NCW has been a great source of strength in my life now. Tihm always thinks Im Fr. Adrian or another priest who is in the know-how but I am a witness to the reality that one does not to be a College Graduate or an apologetic or even an ordained minister to speak of Truth. I am a Son of God, who takes the initiative to know more and grow in faith until the day I see God face to face. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-26823235150668696652014-05-21T02:34:36.592+10:002014-05-21T02:34:36.592+10:00Diana,
Thanks for being upfront with all your com...Diana, <br />Thanks for being upfront with all your comments and the comments of your readers. For the love of my neighbor I cannot stay away from junglewatch. It is very disheartening to see people being fooled by that blogsite, therefor I continue to comment on issues that I do have evidence to substantiate my comments. The latest entry on Purgatory, I shared with readers what I have learned in the community and through the catechesis on the subject of Purgatory. I commented to share that their claims against the NCW teaching is false. The blogsite owner then commented that I was revealing the truth that the NCW does teach against the CCC in regards to Purgatory. I then shared that not only does the NCW teach what I have shared but that also Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI in a Book on Eschatology shares the same views. The owner of that blog has yet to post up my comment on Benedict XVI and the many other comments that I have provided evidence for. This was not the first time that this has happened but then again this is the advantage he has over me by owning the blogsite.<br />What he and many others dont realize is that the online sources from where he obtains "copies" are all from anti-NCW sites. He is obsessed with obtaining a copy and disappointed that the Catechetical Directory is not available for him, he repeats all the time about the secrecy of the NCW. Which in fact there is no secrecy, I had to learn this by finally walking in a community.<br />I shared with him months ago that the Catechetical Directory is not available to anyone except those who are catechists. I explained that asking for the Directory is like asking the cursillos for their scripts that they teach at their retreats. I was then criticized for being anti-cursillo. However, unlike the NCW where the Directory was approved by Rome and as a result of this approval, the footnotes of references to the CCC where aligned accordingly throughout the Directory. For example the Cursillo Movement instructs those who are assigned to give "teachings" or "talks" what they refer to as "Rollos", these people are instructed to not add or take away anything from these scripts. The scariest thing in the cursillo is that no one knows who wrote these scripts and not a single one refers to the CCC. I dont have anything personally against the Cursillos but if Tim wants to talk about division and heresy and so on.....well let me be the first to share that I was a regular supporter of the Cursillo Movement and as long as they kept me informed of happenings, I was there in full support. This all changed when news came that I had began to experience the NCW, I no longer get calls for updates on activities. You see I speak to Tihm on things that I have first hand knowledge of but he always denies it. Just like how I know for sure that the group of people who now lead the Cursillos are actually men who were in the Diaconate Program in the Archdiocese. These men now hold leadership roles in the cursillo. They only joined the Cursillos as a fall back when they dropped out of the Diaconate program. The reason they dropped out? Well according to a conversation I had with one of these men during my initial Cursillo Weekend, they were asked to go and experience the "community of the NCW" and they refused. I always wondered why he had to share this with me, now I realize that he was trying to spread a negative connotation and that he was really just out there to try and get the cursillos to rise above the neo numbers. Thats enough with the Cursillos though.<br /><br />Conitue...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-61253912622421240292014-05-20T23:40:27.853+10:002014-05-20T23:40:27.853+10:00Dear Zoltan,
It is good that you no longer publi...Dear Zoltan, <br /><br />It is good that you no longer publish anything there anymore. It is not always easy to let things go, and this is where we need to pray. Pray to God to bring you peace of mind. Peace be with you and with your spirit. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-42510327903844401442014-05-20T23:27:25.709+10:002014-05-20T23:27:25.709+10:00Dear Anonymous at 4:54 p.m.,
This is taken from ...Dear Anonymous at 4:54 p.m., <br /><br />This is taken from the Table of Contents: <br /><br />Chapter III: Word, Liturgy and Community <br /><br /> Section 1 Word of God<br />Article 11: Weekly celebration of the Word <br /><br /> Section 2: Liturgy <br /> Article 12: Paschal vigil <br /> Article 13: Eucharist <br /> Article 14: Penance, prayer, liturgical year, practices of piety<br /> <br /> Section 3: Community<br /><br />The Neocatechumenal Way consist of a tripod, which makes up three parts. These three parts are: :Section 1: Word, Section 2 Liturgy, and Section 3 Community. These are the three parts that make up the entire tripod. Under Section 2, the liturgy that the Way are allowed to celebrate is already in our Statutes, and the Paschal Vigil is listed as one of them along with the Eucharist and Penance. <br /><br />Again, if you cannot understand this, please book a flight to Rome and schedule your appointment to see the Pope. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.com