tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post4956553694498997771..comments2024-03-20T11:41:40.379+10:00Comments on Neocatechumenal Way - An Insider's View: Response From RMS Board: PART IDianahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comBlogger53125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-67701285042045211672016-10-25T06:15:46.835+10:002016-10-25T06:15:46.835+10:00Dear Anonymous at 5:59 am,
He never agreed to it...Dear Anonymous at 5:59 am, <br /><br />He never agreed to it. That is why he stood together with the Board of Directors of RMS. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-5214865691233681302016-10-25T05:59:47.516+10:002016-10-25T05:59:47.516+10:00Then why cant you not accept the archdiocese recom...Then why cant you not accept the archdiocese recommendation about the seminary deficiencies when the RMS vice rector avreed to the deficiencies<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-78713434674296426492016-10-23T22:18:00.360+10:002016-10-23T22:18:00.360+10:00Diana, Timmy isn't refuting Dr. Eusebio's ...Diana, Timmy isn't refuting Dr. Eusebio's response. He's only going after the little errors like the date. I think Dr. Eusebio may have gotten the date wrong. If he got the date wrong, that is not a lie. That's an honest mistake. From Junglewatch:<br /><br />"1. Tricky Dick says: "To form presbyters of the “New Evangelization” is not a characteristic of the Neocatechumenal Way, as is made clear by the St. Pope John Paul II’s Ad Limina message to CEPAC (Dec. 5, 1999)."<br /><br />This is seriously funny. The problem for Tricky Dick is...well, me. I actually look things up. Tricky Dick, like a trained parrot, just repeats what he's told. The Kiko's love to throw "the pope said this, the pope said that" around. And the reference to "St. Pope John Paul II’s Ad Limina message to CEPAC (Dec. 5, 1999)" is another attempt by Tricky Dick and his kiko-brains to shut down mere peasants like ourselves." Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-50069869064253792522016-10-20T13:11:50.127+10:002016-10-20T13:11:50.127+10:00Dear Anonymous at 12:58 pm,
I agree. Dr. Eusebio...Dear Anonymous at 12:58 pm, <br /><br />I agree. Dr. Eusebio is a member of the Board of Directors of RMS whereas Tim Rohr has absolutely nothing to do with RMS. Therefore, the credibility is on Eusebio's side. Tim Rohr is only nit-picking where he can. Notice that he says nothing about the RMS priests serving in Guam's parishes? He manipulates his readers into thinking that the priests are only there serving the NCW communities. But a majority of Catholics are not blind. They saw the RMS priests in the parishes conducting Mass, baptisms, weddings, and funerals. Tim Rohr leaves these things out.<br />Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-60911650943491879932016-10-20T12:58:38.815+10:002016-10-20T12:58:38.815+10:00Tim is trying to debunk Ric Eusebio's response...Tim is trying to debunk Ric Eusebio's response, and he's doing a very poor job of it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-8844420207070862712016-10-18T21:21:33.965+10:002016-10-18T21:21:33.965+10:00Apparently there has been an accusation of abuse t...Apparently there has been an accusation of abuse that has been submitted to the Chancery involving a local priest, jungle knows about it but they havnt said anything. This is the reason for delay in transfer to Lourdes.<br /><br />Pas!<br />-Jokers WildAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-73668299868274805182016-10-17T22:54:16.205+10:002016-10-17T22:54:16.205+10:00http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-to-pri...http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-to-priests-and-religious-dont-be-content-with-mediocrity-64400/<br /><br />...this is not about who is superior, who is a foreigner, who is a liar, who is whatever what...our priests who have been on Guam for years - YEARS - have settled into this kingdom mentality and now, God who they have taken vows to Uphold HIS CHURCH sees the perversion of power, wealth, and lifestyle of HIS sons...HE is doing the cleaning up & correcting!! Don't blame the Way!! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-52163324526309334522016-10-17T15:03:58.972+10:002016-10-17T15:03:58.972+10:00Anon 1240pm;
The Seminary is for the Catholic Chu...Anon 1240pm;<br /><br />The Seminary is for the Catholic Church, the NCW is part of the church. You were deceived to believe that the NCW is not catholic.<br /><br />Diana, Where you there lastnite at the meeting? Great news! Dont tell anybody.<br /><br />Pas!<br />-Jokers WildAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-63265369951235231612016-10-17T12:51:24.149+10:002016-10-17T12:51:24.149+10:00Dear Anonymous at 12:40 pm,
Did you read the OP?...Dear Anonymous at 12:40 pm, <br /><br />Did you read the OP? Many of the priests who were ordained in the seminary are serving the parishes. These priests have conducted baptisms, marriages, and funerals for the parishioners of the parish they are assigned to. They have Mass in the Parish as well. Some of them went on to seek a higher graduate study in Rome. Father Miguel recently came back. After completing his thesis, he will receive a doctorate, which is the highest degree. The evidence is in the parish. People see them in the parish conducting Mass, baptisms, weddings, and funerals. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-7552252079124465042016-10-17T12:40:18.750+10:002016-10-17T12:40:18.750+10:00But the seminary was supposed to have been for the...But the seminary was supposed to have been for the Catholic Church, not the Neocatechumenal Way. They were deceived just like the brethren from the NCW. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-58318133059624470562016-10-17T12:15:31.614+10:002016-10-17T12:15:31.614+10:00Dear Anonymous at 12:10 pm,
The money was used to...Dear Anonymous at 12:10 pm,<br /><br />The money was used to pay off the Bank of Guam, which was a loan to purchase the property for housing the RMS. The money did not go to the NCW. The RMS Board of Directors have all the evidence with them that the seminary is a diocesan seminary affiliated with the Lateran University of Rome. So, please go ahead and bring it to court, so we can settle this once and for all. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-38097067240284438282016-10-17T12:10:41.945+10:002016-10-17T12:10:41.945+10:00It does not matter what the former or any financia...It does not matter what the former or any financial council knew or did not know. What matters is if the benefactor was fully informed or she was deceived. <br /><br />If the money was used for the purpose of NCW, that the benefactor was bot aware of, then she was in effect deceived and the money she provided was stolen. NCW does not want to continue with this stigma attached its operations, does it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-82085268218327492462016-10-17T11:53:14.233+10:002016-10-17T11:53:14.233+10:00Dear Anonymous at 11:24 am,
The former finance c...Dear Anonymous at 11:24 am, <br /><br />The former finance council knew that the intention of purchasing the property was to permanently house the Redemptoris Mater Seminary. The Deed Restriction is aligned with the document signed by the former finance council. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-62180846420602481892016-10-17T11:24:24.073+10:002016-10-17T11:24:24.073+10:00These documents may stand or may not stand at cour...These documents may stand or may not stand at court. The benefactor may testify at court that she was deceived. There are a couple pitfalls that could change the outcome of the lawsuit one way or the other.<br /><br />The problem with RMS has always been that an alien body, called board of guarantors, has veto power over decisions pertaining RMS. The Bronze report interprets this veto power as effectual alienation of the property. The Lewis-Roca report does not deny the veto power of the alien body but claims it is not effectual alienation. <br /><br />Even if the RMS is owned by the archbishop, the perpetual use of the property was given away against the will of the benefactor. This must be corrected. Otherwise people will see this as a property grab, independently from the decision of any court. NCW may get a label that won't help its integration into the Catholic church.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-14040424711998790852016-10-17T11:18:59.584+10:002016-10-17T11:18:59.584+10:00Dear Anonymous at 10:29 am,
The donor wanted the...Dear Anonymous at 10:29 am, <br /><br />The donor wanted the money for a Seminary, and that is what RMS is. The intention of purchasing the property was to house RMS.Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-32107430274116337812016-10-17T10:29:02.871+10:002016-10-17T10:29:02.871+10:00 The donor wrote Apuron a letter in 2015 stating s... The donor wrote Apuron a letter in 2015 stating specifically that she had NEVER heard of RMS or the Neocatechumenal Way. Read THE ULTIMATE TREACHERY above tab.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-1152182242046931052016-10-17T10:04:33.214+10:002016-10-17T10:04:33.214+10:00Dear Anonymous at 9:55 am,
Yes, the truth will p...Dear Anonymous at 9:55 am, <br /><br />Yes, the truth will prevail in court. :-)Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-78566425530832412152016-10-17T09:55:52.732+10:002016-10-17T09:55:52.732+10:00Filoni can step in all he wants but the truth will...Filoni can step in all he wants but the truth will prevail in court. LolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-74250026206744599112016-10-17T09:46:38.974+10:002016-10-17T09:46:38.974+10:00Dear Anonymous at 9:21 am,
As I said, there are ...Dear Anonymous at 9:21 am, <br /><br />As I said, there are documents showing that the intention of purchasing the property was to house the Redemptoris Mater Seminary. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-5607652932080092452016-10-17T09:43:12.650+10:002016-10-17T09:43:12.650+10:00Dear Anonymous at 9:13 am,
Actually, Rome is lis...Dear Anonymous at 9:13 am, <br /><br />Actually, Rome is listening, and you will find out next week. As you already saw, Cardinal Filoni stepped in and did not allow LFM into the seminary. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-44239557020802591042016-10-17T09:41:15.759+10:002016-10-17T09:41:15.759+10:00Dear Anonymous at 9:13 am,
Are you saying that t...Dear Anonymous at 9:13 am, <br /><br />Are you saying that they now believe the property to belong to the Archdiocese of Agana? If so, then they owe an apology to Archbishop Apuron and the people of Guam because they have always been claiming that the property does not belong to the Archdiocese. The deed restriction only gives the RMS the USE of the property. As Dr. Eusebio stated, the intended purpose of purchasing the property was to house the Redemptoris Mater Seminary. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-67497702690052202652016-10-17T09:21:00.207+10:002016-10-17T09:21:00.207+10:00Diana, I would thread very cautiously here. If the...Diana, I would thread very cautiously here. If the benefactor was mislead then NCW can lose a lot of credibility. What is written in a bank loan application might not stand at court as evidence. If the letter of donation does not mention NCW then it is not right to get sole right of using the property in perpetuity.<br /><br />Even is the legal hurdle would be cleared, the impact on the faithful could be devastating. Pope Francis may be tilted against the NCW forever, siding with Archbishop Hon, because of the deplorable acquisition practices of the NCW.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-80692741133253242082016-10-17T09:13:37.811+10:002016-10-17T09:13:37.811+10:00Just like you Diana said that CCOG, the laity and ...Just like you Diana said that CCOG, the laity and countless others have written to Rome and nothing. Well look around you, Rome still not listening? Be careful cause it's a fine line when this actually goes to court. Then what would you say, "bring it on"? Careful what you ask for cause you might get it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-49271940501509896702016-10-17T09:13:10.254+10:002016-10-17T09:13:10.254+10:00As the weekly protests by Catholic activists conti...As the weekly protests by Catholic activists continued yesterday outside the Dulce Nombre de Maria Cathedral-Basilica, leadership of the respective lay organizations said they are preparing to take legal action in order to return control of the Redemptoris Mater Seminary property in Yona to the Archdiocese of Agana.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-81081083111410458372016-10-17T08:42:42.394+10:002016-10-17T08:42:42.394+10:00Dear Anonymous at 8:07 am,
That is incorrect. Ac...Dear Anonymous at 8:07 am, <br /><br />That is incorrect. According to the Guam Daily Post: <br /><br />"CCOG has repeatedly claimed that the RMS property is not the property of the Archdiocese of Agana and that ownership of the property was relinquished by Apuron under clandestine conditions outside the purview of ecclesiastical law and against the advisement of the then-Archdiocesan Finance Council, Sablan said.<br /><br />“It was done covertly to hide the fact that Apuron was directly conspiring against the Holy See,” Sablan said previously." <br /><br />They can bring it to court if they want. We already know that the sole intention of purchasing the property was to house the Redemptoris Mater Seminary, and there are documents to support that. The Deed Restriction granting them the use of the property in perpetuity is aligned with the intended purpose in purchasing the property in the first place.Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.com