tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post4575583949325332405..comments2024-03-20T11:41:40.379+10:00Comments on Neocatechumenal Way - An Insider's View: My ResponseDianahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-53237647260501984742017-07-10T10:27:35.446+10:002017-07-10T10:27:35.446+10:00It would be best if Archbishop Byrnes said, "...It would be best if Archbishop Byrnes said, "no comment." If he does not have anything good to say about someone, then its better to keep quiet. Criticizing another bishop is not the proper way to start a year of reparation and it was worse that he did it publicly. This doesn't set a good example at all. As the shepherd, he should lead everyone to Jesus Christ. As the shepherd, he should teach the entire flock not to judge and to forgive. However, his judgment against his brother Bishop only led the junglewatch nation to turn to Archbishop Byrnes himself rather than to Christ. The comment below came from Tim Rohr:<br /><br />".........we are NOT placing any trust in the Vatican. We are placing our trust in Archbishop Byrnes, AND (and this is a big AND) ourselves!<br /><br />We have shown ourselves, our Catholic community on Guam, and indeed the whole world, that we will NEVER sit down and shut up again when we see evil in our Church. Apuron will NEVER return as Archbishop of Agana, not because of any decision the Vatican may make, but because we will NEVER allow it." <br /><br />When the Shepherd goes against a brother Bishop, he is only showing through his example that the sheep should also go against Archbishop Apuron. Pope Francis set a better example to the Catholic faithful when he said, "I do not see Cardinal Burke as an enemy." <br />Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-29349959083874734992017-07-10T09:01:13.497+10:002017-07-10T09:01:13.497+10:00Rohr was in personal relationship with SNAP avail...Rohr was in personal relationship with SNAP availing of all their resources. Then he turned against organization. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-31343504456661467032017-07-09T16:25:26.390+10:002017-07-09T16:25:26.390+10:00Anonymous at 11:28 AM, how did you know that Diana...Anonymous at 11:28 AM, how did you know that Diana sent the Archbishop an email but left no time for him to respond or apologize??? <br />You must be the person who wrote "<b> A lot of confidential information is sent out of Byrnes office via whatsap. I was under impression Archbishop approved of this.</b>"<br /><br /><a href="http://neocatechemunal.blogspot.com/2017/06/the-cost-of-appeasement.html" rel="nofollow">The Neocatechumenal Blogspot</a> <br />Just Wonderingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-3517768541053973622017-07-09T16:10:53.473+10:002017-07-09T16:10:53.473+10:00Dear Anonymous at 4:04 pm,
Oh please.....we all ...Dear Anonymous at 4:04 pm, <br /><br />Oh please.....we all know that a tape recording of the clergy meeting was leaked to Rohr. How did you expect Archbishop Apuron to build any bridges when Rohr undermined any building of bridges and action plan by publishing the recording of the clergy meeting and making fun of it? <br /><br />As for SNAP, the only time Tim distanced himself from them was when the lawsuit against SNAP hit the news. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-21134979453799740752017-07-09T16:04:26.401+10:002017-07-09T16:04:26.401+10:00Yes there was a time when Tim Rohr told people to ...Yes there was a time when Tim Rohr told people to write to the nuncio. That was before the January 2015 visit by Krebs, Hon, and Nowak. That was before the visitators left a plan of action to rebuild bridges for Apuron to follow. That was before Apuron threw away the action plan and burned more bridges. That was before Hon was sent to Guam and ignored the sexual abuse victims while he said all kinds of supportive things about Apuron. That was before the picketers took things into their hands after Hon made it clear that he was here to keep Apuron's seat of authority warm for his return. With Hon doing all the right things for his brother bishop and ignoring the laity (victims and protestors) it became really clear that Rome was not going to do anything to help us out. If anything, Cardinal Filoni was doing all he could to further Apuron's and the NCW cause.<br /><br />As far as SNAP is concerned I think Tim might have thought the organization was sincere at first (I know I did). But in time it became clear that SNAP wasn't really about supporting survivors of clergy abuse but about promoting themselves. <br />I'll give SNAP credit for being able to change with the times: at first SNAP praised Apuron for removing Fr. Paul from Sta. Barbara and then SNAP turned against Apuron when the allegations of sexual abuse came out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-13668575664673792622017-07-09T15:43:48.614+10:002017-07-09T15:43:48.614+10:00Dear Anonymous at 2:42 pm,
Your comment is indee...Dear Anonymous at 2:42 pm, <br /><br />Your comment is indeed off-topic; therefore, it has a post of its own, which you can find in the weblink below: <br /><br />https://neocatechemunal.blogspot.com/2017/07/the-other-side-of-story.htmlDianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-83476716669763312612017-07-09T14:56:07.765+10:002017-07-09T14:56:07.765+10:00Anonymous 11:37 PM do you really think that "...Anonymous 11:37 PM do you really think that "If a reporter ask his opinion about Apuron's return, he could have simply said that it's up to the Pope" makes sense? Let's see:<br /><br />Reporter: Archbishop Byrnes, what is your opinion about the return of Archbishop Apuron?<br />Byrnes: That's up to the Pope.<br /><br />FYI: An opinion is a point of view or judgment about something <i>not necessarily based on fact or knowledge</i> and we are ALL entitled to our opinions.<br /><br />FYI 2: "That's up to the Pope" is NOT an opinion. Toninoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-4383510738586779022017-07-09T14:42:29.037+10:002017-07-09T14:42:29.037+10:00Sorry for not sticking to OP, but why did CoAB Byr...Sorry for not sticking to OP, but why did CoAB Byrnes appointment Deacon Steve as delegate to NCW who is a CCOG member and one who has spoken out publicly against AB Apuron? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-75223509131353906832017-07-09T12:44:14.873+10:002017-07-09T12:44:14.873+10:00Dear Anonymous at 10:32 am,
Actually, Tim Rohr h...Dear Anonymous at 10:32 am, <br /><br />Actually, Tim Rohr has previously told people to write to the nuncio. It was only recently that he is saying not to look to Rome. In fact, Rohr was even working together with SNAP. Since the lawsuit against SNAP, Rohr distance himself from SNAP.Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-85049124227257130942017-07-09T11:35:54.309+10:002017-07-09T11:35:54.309+10:00Who is BROTHER Diana. Is this ever mixed up! Who is BROTHER Diana. Is this ever mixed up! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-87045990106153606982017-07-09T11:30:13.446+10:002017-07-09T11:30:13.446+10:00Yes, Dr Eusebio, you need correction in many areas...Yes, Dr Eusebio, you need correction in many areas. You have also publically accused people erroneously. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-62992168304427501842017-07-09T11:16:45.562+10:002017-07-09T11:16:45.562+10:00The Junglewatch nation consist of only a few Catho...The Junglewatch nation consist of only a few Catholics. Although they are few, they are loud.......an understatement.<br /><br />No, we'll do that ourselves, just like everything else.<br /><br />people who follow this doctrine do not need Christ; God or the Church in their lives.<br /><br />They can take care of everything....by themselves.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12185055147538835766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-80858175130186793102017-07-09T10:32:57.802+10:002017-07-09T10:32:57.802+10:00Anon@3:18pm; it is not the Jungle, but Diana that ...Anon@3:18pm; it is not the Jungle, but Diana that encourages everyone to write to Rome if you they have a complaint or issue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-72791446550052708352017-07-09T00:20:44.126+10:002017-07-09T00:20:44.126+10:00Correcting each other also helps to humble us in t...Correcting each other also helps to humble us in the community. It resolves conflicts and teaches us humility.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-92109553872530552732017-07-08T23:44:03.174+10:002017-07-08T23:44:03.174+10:00Dear Anonymous at 11:34 pm,
You do not need to j...Dear Anonymous at 11:34 pm, <br /><br />You do not need to join the NCW. I also believe we can all live together in peace. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-79207209767555940272017-07-08T23:37:50.237+10:002017-07-08T23:37:50.237+10:00Byrnes should have kept his own opinions to himsel...Byrnes should have kept his own opinions to himself. The purpose of his press conference was to tell about the updates with the canonical trial. If he had just stuck to that, the headlines in the newspapers would be different. If a reporter ask his opinion about Apuron's return, he could have simply said that it's up to the Pope. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-32701859901801697012017-07-08T23:34:31.284+10:002017-07-08T23:34:31.284+10:00Diana, It is difficult for me to join NCW communit...Diana, It is difficult for me to join NCW community because of time restrictions and health. However, I can be a friend of NCW.I believe we can all live together in peace.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-9158758904732763892017-07-08T23:23:51.200+10:002017-07-08T23:23:51.200+10:00Dear Anonymous at 4:51 pm,
Cardinal Burke and the...Dear Anonymous at 4:51 pm,<br /><br />Cardinal Burke and the other cardinals were criticizing "Amorim Laetitia". When you criticize an object or a doctrine, that is a personal opinion. In my last post, I explained the difference between an opinion and a judgment against a person. If a person says, I disagree with this document or Pope Francis needs to explain the meaning of this document......those are opinions, not judgments against a person.<br /><br />The NCW and other Catholics who are not in the jungle are able to coexist peacefully. The Junglewatch nation consist of only a few Catholics. Although they are few, they are loud. As Catholics we follow the Vatican. However, Tim Rohr, the jungle's leader, had been telling his followers not to follow Rome because he believes the Vatican is corrupted.Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-44750696235755158312017-07-08T16:51:41.597+10:002017-07-08T16:51:41.597+10:00Diana, when Cardinal Edmund Burke and other Cardin...Diana, when Cardinal Edmund Burke and other Cardinals criticized the apostolic letter Amoris Laetitia, they did not have to seek reconciliation with Pope Francis first. Brother Edmund did not attempt to correct brother Francis in private. He published his criticism. You would say, thus shaming the relatives of Pope Francis who are around. How would the poor relatives feel? Lol, who cares? Relatives are out of picture here.<br /> <br />The thing is that Catholic orthodoxy is fighting here more liberated approaches. Orthodoxy is represented by Burke and more liberated approaches by the Pope and the Vatican offices. You would misconstrue the discord by claiming error on either side! This is not a matter of correction but a matter of church policies, the future direction of the whole church. <br /><br />The same way, Catholic orthodoxy is represented on Guam by the jungle group and more liberated approaches by Archbishop Michael. Reconciliation at the brotherhood level would not resolve any conflict here. You have to develop church policies to handle finances and seminary issues. This will lay down the master plan of the future of the church on Guam.<br /><br />Just as in Vatican, orthodoxy and renewal have to coexist peacefully on Guam, too. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-30156255765291982582017-07-08T16:16:44.280+10:002017-07-08T16:16:44.280+10:00Dear Anonymous at 4:02 pm,
I am not the Holy Spir...Dear Anonymous at 4:02 pm,<br /><br />I am not the Holy Spirit. But what I said about correcting a brother is correct. This is how conflicts and problems are resolved in the Way. As human beings, we are not perfect. All of us (including myself) have made judgments against others. All of us need corrections when we make errors. I am thankful that I have brothers who correct me. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-63514338762468909592017-07-08T16:02:11.357+10:002017-07-08T16:02:11.357+10:00"Because the Holy Spirit is always right.&quo..."Because the Holy Spirit is always right."<br /><br />Yes. But Diana is not always right. She is not the Holy Spirit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-54751873117458749322017-07-08T15:57:25.236+10:002017-07-08T15:57:25.236+10:00That is right. He has to reconcile with brother bi...That is right. He has to reconcile with brother bishop first to see what is permitted and what is not. Going public talk about the reason of the press conference, not other things. When you go beyond you succumb temptation. Criticizing you brother is like listening to the tempter who is in the detail in everything. The devil sows the seeds of discord. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-2291926310910276692017-07-08T15:42:46.233+10:002017-07-08T15:42:46.233+10:00Dear Anonymous at 3:01 pm,
The reason Archbishop...Dear Anonymous at 3:01 pm, <br /><br />The reason Archbishop Byrnes held a press conference was to update the media on the canonical trial of Archbishop Apuron. He went beyond that. If he has a judgment against Archbishop Apuron, then he should have addressed that problem with his brother Bishop rather than airing his judgment to the media. Archbishop Byrnes is the shepherd. If he wants to establish peace and reconciliation, then he should start with himself first. He should reconcile with his brother Bishop first before he attempts to reconcile the sheep in the Archdiocese.Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-36295018258618809222017-07-08T15:19:59.585+10:002017-07-08T15:19:59.585+10:00One side of the truth is no truth. The truth has t...One side of the truth is no truth. The truth has two or perhaps three sides. That is truth. The Holy Spirit is the truth. One side is never truth!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-74226879847815863412017-07-08T15:18:02.490+10:002017-07-08T15:18:02.490+10:00He cannot have a fair due process system because t...He cannot have a fair due process system because there is everywhere the jungle nation folks of Timmy Rohr and others from his blog. They even wrote to Rome to influence the canonical trial. This is wrong. This is sin against the Holy Spirit. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com