tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post4497731365841429587..comments2024-03-20T11:41:40.379+10:00Comments on Neocatechumenal Way - An Insider's View: The Other Side Of The StoryDianahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comBlogger136125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-15456462477139907682017-07-13T18:28:19.169+10:002017-07-13T18:28:19.169+10:00Regards to Father Dan. He was mistreated in Agana ...Regards to Father Dan. He was mistreated in Agana Cathedral by the former Administration who misuse money for his anniversary and given free plots. Next local bishop? Don't think so!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-2436206518700233172017-07-13T15:59:28.383+10:002017-07-13T15:59:28.383+10:00
mam you are middle class. The Blue Label swinging...<br />mam you are middle class. The Blue Label swinging Priest has no concern for you. He is only concerned with the Rich. Those who give him money.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-22809492994139440502017-07-13T15:56:10.279+10:002017-07-13T15:56:10.279+10:00Richard Untalan, Tim Roar,Monsignor.
Its all about...Richard Untalan, Tim Roar,Monsignor.<br />Its all about Money.<br />with 8 children amounts to over a thousand dollars.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-81709512679796924102017-07-13T08:14:27.409+10:002017-07-13T08:14:27.409+10:00
Sin of deception? - To protect ones own interest... <br />Sin of deception? - To protect ones own interests by withholding or manipulating the truth. If the truth can set you free, untruths will hold you captive. <br />Praying for conversion of us all.<br />Shalom<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-50756019894864227582017-07-13T03:55:00.584+10:002017-07-13T03:55:00.584+10:00Yes! And we are also helping Saint Francis Yona pa...Yes! And we are also helping Saint Francis Yona pay off their bill, failure to pay years of taxes. But no need to pay attention to that matter, they're not neo. Sarcasm.<br /><br />Pas!<br />-Jokers WildAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-61582044038080684442017-07-13T02:17:07.662+10:002017-07-13T02:17:07.662+10:00That Rohr work for what??? because he hates are Ch...That Rohr work for what??? because he hates are Chamorro BishopAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-89915558293052051382017-07-12T23:23:36.121+10:002017-07-12T23:23:36.121+10:00Dear Anonymous at 2:29 pm,
What we teach has alw...Dear Anonymous at 2:29 pm, <br /><br />What we teach has always been transparent. All you had to do was attend the catechesis. The catechesis and the Eucharist is open to the public. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-79566358413216398812017-07-12T17:39:17.553+10:002017-07-12T17:39:17.553+10:00Diana - CCOG does not represent every Catholic on ...Diana - CCOG does not represent every Catholic on this island. Richard Untalan propose a $169.00 on top of tuition fee. I have 8 kids that goes to Catholic School. Concerned Catholic dies not speak for me. CCOG made this mess they're the one who encourage parishioner not to pay parishes. We out side the NCW and CCOG suffers not them. Only the rich can afford to send their children to Catholic School? What about the middle class? The original finance council with Untalan who made this mess and now made more mess. Thanks a bunch Byrnes! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-44242677587329202802017-07-12T14:29:54.430+10:002017-07-12T14:29:54.430+10:00You are right, Diana. Nobody called the NCW as an ...You are right, Diana. Nobody called the NCW as an organization heretic. The contention is that the lack of transparency of what you teach gives rise to possible heretical interpretations. RCIA is teaching the exactly same, guaranteed content at any point of the world. The RCIA curriculum is available to everyone. However, in lieu of transparency, the same thing cannot be said, even less verified, about the NCW! <br /><br />There is no mechanism whatsoever to guarantee that the updated version and not the previous edition of the Catechetical Directory is taught in NCW circles with the thousand and thousand insertions Vatican dicasteries made. The text you actually "transmit" is the concern. Do you understand it now? Without these insertions your teaching is not valid. Orthodoxy is only ensured through the new context created by the dicasteries. <br /><br />However, by the demonstrated disdain of the leaders of NCW toward Vatican, there is a well justified suspicion that the new context is ignored by your catechists altogether. This is the real issue! This is the reason the bishop of record at any diocese around the world may prefer RCIA rather than NCW for Catholic initiation. We'll see how Archbishop Michael will decide for the Guam faithful after he obtains the outcome of a thorough review of your directories. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-9314673634913334492017-07-12T10:44:14.760+10:002017-07-12T10:44:14.760+10:00by being a bureaucrat is that an agreement by only...by being a bureaucrat is that an agreement by only making it be about money is that an agreement by making it about the building is that an agreement taya pope francis even said it best its not about all those things that i mentioned in the above he says get out of the building and because he said capitalism is the devil because it only cares about one self and even for the comment below what did pope francis say when he was first elected as pope he said its not about getting back at another personGod is onehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06315440189194464509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-77537037603998145102017-07-12T10:23:52.479+10:002017-07-12T10:23:52.479+10:00Dear Anonymous at 9:09 am,
The echoes are the in...Dear Anonymous at 9:09 am, <br /><br />The echoes are the individual testimonies of the lay people. According to the letter of Cardinal Francis Arinze to the Neocatechumenal Way:<br /><br />2. As for any admonitions issued before the readings, these must be brief. Adherence must also be shown to what is set out in the “Institutio Generalis Missalis Romani” (nn. 105 and 128) and to the Praenotanda of the “Ordo Lectionum Missae” (nn. 15, 19, 38, 42).<br /><br />3. The homily, because of its nature and importance, is reserved to the priest or deacon (cf. Codex Iuris Canonici, can. 767 § 1). As for the occasional contribution of testimonies on the part of the lay faithful, the proper places and methods for these are indicated in the Interdicasterial Instruction “Ecclesiae de Mysterio,” which was approved “in specific form” by Pope John Paul II and published on August 15, 1997. In this document, sections 2 and 3 of article 3 read as follows:<br /><br />§2 - “It is permitted to have a brief instruction that helps explain better the liturgy that is being celebrated, and even, in exceptional circumstances, a few testimonies, as long as these conform to the liturgical norms, are offered on the occasion of Eucharistic liturgies celebrated on particular days (for seminarians, the sick, etc.), and are thought truly helpful as an illustration of the regular homily delivered by the celebrating priest. These instructions and testimonies must not assume characteristics that might cause them to be confused with the homily.”<br /><br />§3 - “The possibility of ‘dialogue’ during the homily (cf. Directorium de Missis cum Pueris, no. 48) can be used occasionally and with prudence by the celebrating minister as a means of exposition, which does not transfer to others the duty of preaching.”<br /><br />Careful attention must also be paid to the Instruction “Redemptionis Sacramentum,” no. 74.<br /><br />https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=8227Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-84053335101446955012017-07-12T10:23:30.524+10:002017-07-12T10:23:30.524+10:00Dear Diana, I know that the echoes are mentioned i...Dear Diana, I know that the echoes are mentioned in relation to the Word of God, but not in relation to the Eucharist. Can you please show exactly where you mean the Statutes allow the echoes in the Eucharist? Thank youAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-46820977164076028222017-07-12T10:06:56.019+10:002017-07-12T10:06:56.019+10:00Dear Anonymous at 9:04 am,
As far as I know, the...Dear Anonymous at 9:04 am, <br /><br />As far as I know, the Vatican has never declared the NCW a heretic. And you do not have the authority to declare the NCW a heretic. Therefore, the NCW is Catholic until the Vatican says so.Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-45913035830981735472017-07-12T09:11:16.322+10:002017-07-12T09:11:16.322+10:00And your saying this is a lie because your saying ...And your saying this is a lie because your saying that because he's not really following the pope because like what pope Francis keeps saying it's not about money and your just making it about money and this is being a dictator from you And what's your only defense is that the pope sent him because he is sent and he's suppose to lead us as what the pope says and not being a bureaucrat loving person and the pope who in his reform gets into where the money goes if it's actually heading to it because Byrnes is resisting pope Francis God is onehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06315440189194464509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-56656074840980510062017-07-12T09:09:22.664+10:002017-07-12T09:09:22.664+10:00No echo is permitted in the approved Statutes duri...No echo is permitted in the approved Statutes during mass. Please, produce your evidence otherwise. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-71985358233188245082017-07-12T09:04:42.529+10:002017-07-12T09:04:42.529+10:00Diana, let me give you some hints: the box is your...Diana, let me give you some hints: the box is your NCW. The balls are the teaching and practices of NCW. The red balls are orthodox the black balls are heretics. The criticism is about the black balls, that is about potentially heretic interpretations. You only pull our red balls that is what you think is orthodox. But this is no evidence that no black balls are in your box. That is why you need to open the box, open the directories so a transparent inspection can be done. I grant you that the black balls will be found. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-80123392220554405652017-07-12T08:44:36.205+10:002017-07-12T08:44:36.205+10:00Dear Anonymous at 8:33 am,
No, he did not.Dear Anonymous at 8:33 am, <br /><br />No, he did not.Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-58501110830867792502017-07-12T08:33:32.679+10:002017-07-12T08:33:32.679+10:00the pope gave byrnes the right to judgement.the pope gave byrnes the right to judgement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-2364610236512322262017-07-12T08:19:57.206+10:002017-07-12T08:19:57.206+10:00Dear Anonymous at 8:03 am,
Yes, Archbishop Byrne...Dear Anonymous at 8:03 am, <br /><br />Yes, Archbishop Byrnes needed correction. Someone had to tell him not to judge.Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-57255092738816149472017-07-12T08:17:37.404+10:002017-07-12T08:17:37.404+10:00Dear Anonymous at 7:27 am,
The echoes are in the ...Dear Anonymous at 7:27 am,<br /><br />The echoes are in the approved Statutes. And Archbishop Brynes did not take it out. It remains in the celebration of the Eucharist.Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-87384152867589628562017-07-12T08:15:49.905+10:002017-07-12T08:15:49.905+10:00Dear Anonymous at 7:21 am,
The Catholic Church c...Dear Anonymous at 7:21 am, <br /><br />The Catholic Church comes in many different colors as your example points out - red balls and black balls. In my view, no matter whether you take out the red or black ball, it is still Catholic. In your view, you only see the color of the person.Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-36587626709388950682017-07-12T08:03:33.424+10:002017-07-12T08:03:33.424+10:00...you mean to say Archbishop Brynes needs correct......you mean to say Archbishop Brynes needs correction regarding his judgment against Archbishop Apuron.. since we are on the subject of correction...no pun intended. have a great day! BTW, reading your posts are very interesting, enlightening and my morning cup of coffee.. thanks for your outlet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-23179092268539534072017-07-12T07:27:59.540+10:002017-07-12T07:27:59.540+10:00Dear Diana, you should such not duck the echo prob...Dear Diana, you should such not duck the echo problem. The approved Statutes do not permit such practice. Your interpretation of your Statutes is not in line with Rome's understanding. Archbishop Byrnes is aware of the problem and will enforce what Rome prescribed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-37028671713026258902017-07-12T07:21:25.166+10:002017-07-12T07:21:25.166+10:00Diana, let me tell you an example. Imagine there a...Diana, let me tell you an example. Imagine there are 10 balls in a box, 5 red and 5 black. Someone tells you your balls are not all red, because you have back balls, as well, in the box. Then you pull out a red ball from the box and declare victoriously that it is red and nobody is right who says there are black balls in the box.<br /><br />I hope you see what I mean. The review is necessary because the box must be opened up to show its content. The 5 black balls will be exposed, no matter what. Your rebuttal of Thoughtful Catholic is insufficient, because you only cherry pick your red balls and show them up stating your balls are red. But the story is not about this. The story, as Chuck presented with theological rigor, is that some of your balls are black! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-26806799560583894292017-07-12T07:11:59.679+10:002017-07-12T07:11:59.679+10:00Dear Jokers, I am sorry but I did not talk about t...Dear Jokers, I am sorry but I did not talk about the blog or the person you bring up here. I talked about the theologically extremely sound criticism and exposure of NCW ideology and practices at Thoughtful Catholic. What you say is no match to that intellectual quality. <br /><br />The purpose of review of the NCW ideology and practices as contained in your directories is to expose the penetration of heretical interpretations to our Catholic belief. It will be made transparent. The deacon is the right man to do that. When it is done, the bishop of record will make a decision if NCW or RCIA is more appropriate for Catholic initiation on Guam. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com