tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post4225659961300845163..comments2024-03-20T11:41:40.379+10:00Comments on Neocatechumenal Way - An Insider's View: The History And Strength Of The NCWDianahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-61811965141866794052015-07-31T08:01:13.088+10:002015-07-31T08:01:13.088+10:00Dear Anonymous at 7:07 am,
The discussion starte...Dear Anonymous at 7:07 am, <br /><br />The discussion started because of this comment from Anonymous at 8:22 am (who might be the same person): <br /><br />Dear Diana @ 8:00--<br />Why would someone stop you from volunteering--UNLESS you want to change things in so doing.<br />(e.g. change songs, as a choir member, for more Kiko songs, teach NCW practices as a CCD instructor, buying flowers and putting them on the altar, or constantly tell the regular parishioners where they are 'wrong', etc.) --just samples of what MIGHT be the problem--<br />Otherwise, if you as a parishioner want to volunteer to help the church, I would hope it would be welcomed! I know at the Asan church, my friend says Neos and Non-Neos work side by side! <br /><br />In this blog, there were others who expressed that they want the NCW to stop their Eucharist and attend church with them. It is these people that we were referring to. They have a fear that the choir would be changed and "Kiko songs" (as they call them) would be sung in church. It is this kind of change that they fear. <br /><br />We have never imposed anyone in the parish to sing the songs that we sing in the NCW. Rather, it is those in the parish who impose on the NCW to sing the parish songs in their celebration. In this blog, those who oppose the Way have expressed their discontent and disapproval that the NCW does not sing any of the parish songs in the celebrations. They call them "Kiko songs" despite that we told them so many times that these songs came from the Book of Psalms. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-41955491051395684192015-07-31T07:33:21.661+10:002015-07-31T07:33:21.661+10:00Dear Anonymous at 9:28 pm,
Kiko and Carmen also ...Dear Anonymous at 9:28 pm, <br /><br />Kiko and Carmen also do not have a private helicopter and private jet. Since you brought it up, can you show proof that they have these things?Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-84006172399635101452015-07-31T07:07:19.518+10:002015-07-31T07:07:19.518+10:00Diana 9:23 AM--
Do you even read before you reply?...Diana 9:23 AM--<br />Do you even read before you reply? Anon 2:47 & 9:16 posts agrees with you on NCW's right to do what it wishes having had the approval from the Pope! The point was: so do the 'regular' Catholics. <br />I tried to follow this thread given the nature of the topic: volunteering in the church. You are making it so difficult to do this by trying to find fault in Anon's posts (not sure if same person throughout?) This poor person was trying to be charitable in his/her comments and you did not get it. <br />I'm trying so hard to keep peace in my parish with those not Walking, but they keep bringing up your blog--as if you speak for all of us--saying your comments are convoluted.<br />I thank you for trying to educate about NCW, I thank you for sharing information and references. <br />I hope and pray that I, too, am clear and charitable when I speak about our work. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-46253769067017481832015-07-30T21:57:30.440+10:002015-07-30T21:57:30.440+10:00my dear diana
I think it is very kind and charitab...my dear diana<br />I think it is very kind and charitable to give fraternal correction of venial sins or even non-sinful faults, if the individual is at a point in the spiritual life when he can deal with such things. <br />This is especially true if the person is blindly falling into the offense in a habitual way. I certainly would want to be corrected, at least.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-24254642607368074072015-07-30T21:34:34.514+10:002015-07-30T21:34:34.514+10:00Dear Anonymous at 11:53 am,
You stated: "Th...Dear Anonymous at 11:53 am, <br /><br />You stated: "The 2008 Statutes does describe the NCW as a movement."<br /><br />No, it does not.<br />.Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-8905576264877196052015-07-30T21:28:27.876+10:002015-07-30T21:28:27.876+10:00Mother Teresa did not have a private helicopter, p...Mother Teresa did not have a private helicopter, private jet to transport her around. She lived a meager life with the poor, not in some palatial home. I doubt that you could say the same for Kiko and Carmen. Far from the same, Diana!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-32030724358565145212015-07-30T21:23:37.061+10:002015-07-30T21:23:37.061+10:00Dear Anonymous at 9:16 pm,
I do not like it when...Dear Anonymous at 9:16 pm, <br /><br />I do not like it when people who have no authorization tell us to do things. We have already stated that we have permission from the Pope to do what we do. That has been said so many times. If you feel that we are in violation, your duty is simply to inform the Vatican and wait for the reply because you have no authority to tell us to make changes. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-19102786084960058812015-07-30T21:16:32.389+10:002015-07-30T21:16:32.389+10:00Diana at 5:53,
Of course, that is understood. Bu...Diana at 5:53, <br />Of course, that is understood. But the changes are allowed by the Pope, not a mandate for all. So, there is a choice--as you often say. And if people in a parish choose to keep their church the way it has been, then they will be suspicious of anyone they feel might want to change things. Hence, their suspicions of any Neo who wishes to volunteer. <br />As I said, you don't like it when people tell you to change the way you do things--saying over and over it is approved, you don't have to, you don't want to. Well, there are people who don't want to change the way they have been doing things for years. <br />That is what I meant about the fear of change.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-58776905945270140272015-07-30T17:58:54.647+10:002015-07-30T17:58:54.647+10:00Dear Anonymous at 10:26 am,
The net worth of Kik...Dear Anonymous at 10:26 am, <br /><br />The net worth of Kiko and Carmen is most likely the same net worth as Mother Teresa when she founded the Missionaries of Charity.Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-91492002535073576432015-07-30T17:53:01.311+10:002015-07-30T17:53:01.311+10:00Dear Anonymous at 2L47 pm,
If the change comes f...Dear Anonymous at 2L47 pm, <br /><br />If the change comes from the Pope, I am not going to question it. He is the Vicar of Christ.Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-76525299151828112362015-07-30T14:47:05.054+10:002015-07-30T14:47:05.054+10:00Dear Diana at 9:28--
"This is a ridiculous fe...Dear Diana at 9:28--<br />"This is a ridiculous fear especially in light of the fact that the NCW has the support of the Pope." <br />It's not so ridiculous when it's involving change. The Way may be supported by the Pope, but he doesn't advocate that everyone change and follow it. You don't like it when someone suggests you change your ways....how could you expect that non-Neos like it when things are changed from the way they are used to? When you understand the basis of the fear, you can work with them to overcome it. The church will be better for it.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-35862025953041515052015-07-30T11:53:43.311+10:002015-07-30T11:53:43.311+10:00The 2008 Statutes does describe the NCW as a movem...The 2008 Statutes does describe the NCW as a movement<br />.<br />the phrase "AND NOT AS A PARALLEL" is the DESCRIPTION<br />“It is important to see that Pope John Paul II in Christifideles laici 61 establishes the usefulness of small ecclesial groups within the parishes, and not as a parallel movement which absorbs the best members of parishes<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-28301075085188908232015-07-30T10:26:42.975+10:002015-07-30T10:26:42.975+10:00This article says that the NCW did not come from t...This article says that the NCW did not come from the rich. I wonder what is the net worth of Kiko and Carmen?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-2977269902374087592015-07-30T09:28:58.830+10:002015-07-30T09:28:58.830+10:00Dear Anonymous at 8:22 am,
MIGHT??? So, you bas...Dear Anonymous at 8:22 am, <br /><br />MIGHT??? So, you base all this on something you THINK might happen? As a democratic country, there is a lot of risks a person takes in freedom. We have freedom of expression despite that some of the things we say MIGHT offend the other person, but that does not take away our free speech. While we recognize that there are limits to free expression (such as threatening a person's life), we still have free expression not because we fear of what MIGHT happen. We have it because it is a good thing. <br /><br />You say that in Asan Church, the "neos" and "non-neos" work side by side. That is also what they do in my parish; yet, people are still afraid because of what MIGHT happen. This is a ridiculous fear especially in light of the fact that the NCW has the support of the Pope. If you cannot embrace what the Pope supports, then you do not support the Pope as well. It is the same with those Catholics who support same sex marriage. If they cannot embrace what the Church teaches about same sex marriage, then they do not support the Church. They are not allowed to take communion because they are definitely not in communion with God and His Church. Simple as that. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-55787198792165104872015-07-30T08:22:54.608+10:002015-07-30T08:22:54.608+10:00Dear Diana @ 8:00--
Why would someone stop you fro...Dear Diana @ 8:00--<br />Why would someone stop you from volunteering--UNLESS you want to change things in so doing.<br />(e.g. change songs, as a choir member, for more Kiko songs, teach NCW practices as a CCD instructor, buying flowers and putting them on the altar, or constantly tell the regular parishioners where they are 'wrong', etc.) --just samples of what MIGHT be the problem--<br />Otherwise, if you as a parishioner want to volunteer to help the church, I would hope it would be welcomed! I know at the Asan church, my friend says Neos and Non-Neos work side by side! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-91308552216594692952015-07-30T08:00:29.871+10:002015-07-30T08:00:29.871+10:00Dear Anonymous at 7:36 am,
As I said, the 2008 S...Dear Anonymous at 7:36 am, <br /><br />As I said, the 2008 Statutes does not describe the NCW as a movement. Pope John Paul II saw the benefits of small ecclesial groups within the parish, which is what the NCW is. We are not operating outside the parish or even parallel to the parish. As I keep saying, members of the NCW help maintain the parish. They join the parish by volunteering as choir members, lectors, Eucharistic ministers, CCD instructors, and parish council members. Many of them even maintain parish grounds by cleaning the parish, buying the flowers for the parish, etc. So, we were never outside the parish. <br /><br />The problem is people trying to stop us from doing all that volunteer work within the parish. Apparently, they just want us to attend the Sunday Mass sitting in the pews. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-4407280730215375932015-07-30T07:36:23.932+10:002015-07-30T07:36:23.932+10:00“It is important to see that Pope John Paul II in ...“It is important to see that Pope John Paul II in Christifideles laici 61 establishes the usefulness of small ecclesial groups within the parishes, and not as a parallel movement which absorbs the best members of parishesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-23641807643716975592015-07-30T07:13:16.329+10:002015-07-30T07:13:16.329+10:00Dear Anonymous at 6:45 am,
The 2008 Statutes doe...Dear Anonymous at 6:45 am, <br /><br />The 2008 Statutes does not describe the NCW as a movement.Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-45156773320691955362015-07-30T06:45:24.211+10:002015-07-30T06:45:24.211+10:00my dear diana, the word "movement" is in...my dear diana, the word "movement" is in your 2008 statuesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-26392442555841694802015-07-29T21:27:37.364+10:002015-07-29T21:27:37.364+10:00Dear Anonymous at 5:02 pm,
There is only one err...Dear Anonymous at 5:02 pm, <br /><br />There is only one error (singular) in that article.....the word "movement." Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-60532465553783117332015-07-29T17:02:34.086+10:002015-07-29T17:02:34.086+10:00So why post an old article with errors Diana?So why post an old article with errors Diana?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-10413322320758563072015-07-28T19:26:17.515+10:002015-07-28T19:26:17.515+10:00@ Curious
To adequately answer the question whethe...@ Curious<br />To adequately answer the question whether a woman can be considered an "ex-nun" or not, one would need to find out if that woman had taken religious vows. There are many women who discern their religious vocation as aspirants, postulants, or novices and then decide not to pursue further. Usually they are not referred to as "ex-nuns".<br /><br />Do the authors of any of the stuff you read claim knowledge of such vows taken by Ms. Hernandez?<br />If they don't possess that information, calling her an "ex-nun" could be just a literary tool; it is even possible that they use it just to show her in negative light, in which case you'd do well to consider the author's bias as you read critically.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-25668365088132401242015-07-28T14:33:13.271+10:002015-07-28T14:33:13.271+10:00Dear Anonymous at 2:28 pm,
I was elected a co-re...Dear Anonymous at 2:28 pm, <br /><br />I was elected a co-responsible in the first year I joined the Way. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-53883097541157712822015-07-28T14:18:20.306+10:002015-07-28T14:18:20.306+10:00WOW! You can become a responsible or co-responsibl...WOW! You can become a responsible or co-responsible after walking only 3 years??? Sounds like you were on the fast track!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-42442541332802862982015-07-28T14:07:39.391+10:002015-07-28T14:07:39.391+10:00Dear Anonymous at 11:48 am,
The pictorial book w...Dear Anonymous at 11:48 am, <br /><br />The pictorial book was given during the beginning of the year convivience, which Responsibles and Co-Responsibles attend.Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.com