tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post2212108286129345422..comments2024-03-20T11:41:40.379+10:00Comments on Neocatechumenal Way - An Insider's View: All Baptised Catholics Are ProphetsDianahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-84993518316337076902015-05-23T18:08:01.966+10:002015-05-23T18:08:01.966+10:00Why don't we prepare our ourselves before goin...Why don't we prepare our ourselves before going to mass first? Do we go to confession? Do we ask forgiveness from our wife; from our family; from those who we have made mad or sinned against?<br /><br />All for correcting the "liturgical" but fix the heart first before taking the bread and blood of Jesus Christ.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-49035444703631093912015-05-21T06:32:34.260+10:002015-05-21T06:32:34.260+10:00Dear Anonymous at 3:57 pm,
The NCW is following ...Dear Anonymous at 3:57 pm, <br /><br />The NCW is following the GIRM. Whether you believe that or not is not our problem. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-22744853609454572212015-05-21T05:59:35.674+10:002015-05-21T05:59:35.674+10:00Dear Anonymous at 4:59 pm,
The NCW already got p...Dear Anonymous at 4:59 pm, <br /><br />The NCW already got permission from Pope Benedict, and Pope Francis is aware of it. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-7035257510549618972015-05-20T17:24:31.344+10:002015-05-20T17:24:31.344+10:00All liturgical abuses (whether in the NCW Mass or ...All liturgical abuses (whether in the NCW Mass or any Non-Neo Mass) need to be corrected for the glory of God. The Mass is Christ's.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-9939823704736001822015-05-20T16:59:58.635+10:002015-05-20T16:59:58.635+10:00"Redemptionis Sacramentum 2[28] All liturgic..."Redemptionis Sacramentum 2[28] All liturgical norms that a Conference of Bishops will have established for its territory in accordance with the law are to be submitted to the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments for the RECOGNITIO, WITHOUT WHICH THEY LACK ANY BINDING FORCE."<br /><br />Simply, no RECOGNITIO, no permission. The Neocatechumenal Way need to get this recognitio from Pope Francis, in order to celebrate the Mass with all Carman and Kiko's alterations licitly. <br />Was this what they were hoping to get from Pope Benedict in January 2012, but came away empty-handed?<br /><br />"Redemptionis Sacramentum [7] Not infrequently, abuses are rooted in a false understanding of liberty. Yet God has not granted us in Christ an illusory liberty by which we may do what we wish, but a liberty by which we may do that which is fitting and right. [18] This is true not only of precepts coming directly from God, but also of laws promulgated by the Church, with appropriate regard for the nature of each norm. For this reason, all should conform to the ordinances set forth by legitimate ecclesiastical authority. <br /><br />[8] It is therefore to be noted with great sadness that "ecumenical initiatives which are well-intentioned, nevertheless indulge at times in Eucharistic practices contrary to the discipline by which the <br />Church expresses her faith." Yet the Eucharist "is too great a gift to tolerate ambiguity or depreciation." It is therefore necessary that some things be corrected or more clearly delineated so that in this respect as well "the Eucharist will continue to shine forth in all its radiant mystery."<br /><br /> [9] Finally, abuses are often based on ignorance, in that they involve a rejection of those elements whose deeper meaning is not understood and whose antiquity is not recognized. ........."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-14561831458641192032015-05-20T15:57:41.582+10:002015-05-20T15:57:41.582+10:00Dear Anon at 2.56. Yes, there are "liturgical...Dear Anon at 2.56. Yes, there are "liturgical abuses" all over the place. The distinction is that for most Catholics, when a liturgical abuse is noticed or pointed out, they are at pains to reform the behavior so that it then conforms the Church's instructions. <br /><br />IN the case of the NCW, however, there is no intention to reform or adjust. It is a monoculture, performed the same all over the world, because Kiko tells you its alright, even when it obviously violates the instructions of the Church, and even where there is no explicit permissions despite the Church continually referring to "explicit concessions" (see your Statute).<br /><br />Your reference to the GIRM is ironic to say the least, given this context.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-48005373187102848542015-05-20T14:56:37.214+10:002015-05-20T14:56:37.214+10:00Liturgical abuses?
I invite u to visit all parishe...Liturgical abuses?<br />I invite u to visit all parishes of Guam on Sunday and then you'll realize what liturgical abuses are all about. Most of the parishes here commit a lot of liturgical abuses during Sunday mass!!!<br />Check out also the instructions in the roman misal and I assure u will be shocked, unless u are one of those who speak without knowing what your talking about!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-49509294680730033052015-05-20T08:45:11.196+10:002015-05-20T08:45:11.196+10:00Anon. 12:28, this article must have hit a nerve wi...Anon. 12:28, this article must have hit a nerve with you. <br /><br />This is from Tommy Tanaka in JW <br /><br />I am concerned that his followers view Kiko as a Prophet??? The era of Prophets ceased to exist when Jesus Christ came into the world for our salvation.<br /><br />Looks like he's one of those who thinks that Jesus is the last prophet. Anyone there in TLC wanna correct him. Just point to Acts 11:28 and Pope Francis speech calling all baptized Catholics prophets. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-28682609257585224312015-05-20T07:26:49.944+10:002015-05-20T07:26:49.944+10:00Dear Anonymous at 12:28 am,
You can speak about ...Dear Anonymous at 12:28 am, <br /><br />You can speak about liturgical abuse all you want. We already told you that we have the approval of the Pope to celebrate the Eucharist the way we do. Whether you believe this or not was never my problem. Also, I do not know why you keep harping about liturgy. Do you not know that Pope Francis said that no liturgy can save you. So you can celebrate the liturgy the way you think is the right way, but that still will not get you into heaven. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-68445686717653583102015-05-20T00:28:57.991+10:002015-05-20T00:28:57.991+10:00"All those who are baptized are prophets: let..."All those who are baptized are prophets: let us not forget God's promise of moving forward." Pope Francis says that "a church without prophets falls into the trap of clericalism." So yes, all baptized Catholics are prophets. That includes me, you, and even Kiko Arguello, Carmen Hernandez, and all the baptized." <br /><br />Please do not take this as sarcasm - "Consider me then a prophet who is telling you that the NCW is falling into the trap of its own clericalism - NCW clericalism that doesn't consider "understanding" the growth in the Liturgy protected by the Pope to prevent liturgical abuse."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com