tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post1601855640619613940..comments2024-03-20T11:41:40.379+10:00Comments on Neocatechumenal Way - An Insider's View: Persecution?Dianahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comBlogger60125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-22328597480512589072015-07-12T14:14:05.820+10:002015-07-12T14:14:05.820+10:00Anonymous at 12:23 PM, I think Diana at 10:52 PM i...Anonymous at 12:23 PM, I think Diana at 10:52 PM is absolutely right when she suggests that you learn to adapt to the Church schedule rather than having the Church "meet the whims of your schedule." <br /><br />I don't know if you realize how unrealistic your last sentence ("Church needs to cater to all our personal needs") is. Your personal needs are probably different from my personal needs, Diana's personal needs, Tim Rohr's personal needs, JSB's personal needs, the personal needs of all the other Anonymous commenters, etc. To expect the Church to cater to <b>ALL our personal needs</b> is not only unrealistic but also impossible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-14703012269975319132015-07-07T08:27:50.165+10:002015-07-07T08:27:50.165+10:00Dear Anonymous at 7:47 am,
If you had read the e...Dear Anonymous at 7:47 am, <br /><br />If you had read the entire thread especially those comments below, you would have found this comment written by a Catholic: <br /><br />AnonymousJuly 6, 2015 at 12:27 PM<br /><br />Diana statue must always remain in church. Same statue even if broken glue it and put back. Original statues in our church must stay forever. Statue is our protector . Same statues protected our parents, grandparents. Statues save us. <br /><br /><br />When one starts to think that statues become their protectors.....then that is "worshipping statues." Statues do not save anyone. ONLY God can save. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-4269364950811917512015-07-07T07:47:35.544+10:002015-07-07T07:47:35.544+10:00Ah I see now a Neo tactic. Accuse Catholics of ado...Ah I see now a Neo tactic. Accuse Catholics of adoring statues. It's a damaged statue you say. Then have it repaired or dispose of it permanently. Having it repaired and restored to its proper place is not adoration. And when you continue to make false accusations, you bring more discredit to your already discredited argument.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-71255140485211157222015-07-07T07:41:29.194+10:002015-07-07T07:41:29.194+10:00A damaged statue should be repaired.A damaged statue should be repaired.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-31380216915835385822015-07-06T23:42:40.459+10:002015-07-06T23:42:40.459+10:00Because there used to be one mass in the morning a...Because there used to be one mass in the morning and one in the evening. Now only one in the morning. There is no mass in the evening for those who get out of work in the afternoon like you said. Now that there are two priests, they should start up the evening mass.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-80622127746106513392015-07-06T22:52:28.579+10:002015-07-06T22:52:28.579+10:00Dear Anonymous at 12:23 pm,
Very few people atte...Dear Anonymous at 12:23 pm, <br /><br />Very few people attend the weekday Mass. And even if you do not attend the weekday Mass, it is not a sin. The Sunday Masses are more important. Because very few people attend the weekday Mass, perhaps, it would be a good exercise for you to meet the whims of the Church schedule rather than having the Church trying to meet the whims of your schedule. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-48554585146289238332015-07-06T12:27:59.758+10:002015-07-06T12:27:59.758+10:00Diana statue must always remain in church. Same st...Diana statue must always remain in church. Same statue even if broken glue it and put back. Original statues in our church must stay forever. Statue is our protector . Same statues protected our parents, grandparents. Statues save us. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-74858938344940914402015-07-06T12:23:28.143+10:002015-07-06T12:23:28.143+10:00
Diana, there needs to be more choices for mass ti...<br />Diana, there needs to be more choices for mass times. Three masses daily . Morning noon, night. I want a lunch time mass and a 6pm mass. I am not a morning person sometimes I have lunches or dinner if a dinner I want lunchtime mass, if I have lunch I go evening mass. hope you understand. Church needs to cater to all our personal needs. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-14970680114982979992015-07-06T06:39:22.409+10:002015-07-06T06:39:22.409+10:00Dear Anonymous at 4:22 am,
Then perhaps, you sho...Dear Anonymous at 4:22 am, <br /><br />Then perhaps, you should bring that up to Father Krzysztof. But why were you complaining that the weekday Mass in Santa Rita was cut from two to one? Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-88267474802037076292015-07-06T04:22:31.140+10:002015-07-06T04:22:31.140+10:00That is an outdated schedule. As you know, Fabio ...That is an outdated schedule. As you know, Fabio is no longer the pastor. Weekday masses now are only in the morning. So much for "masses in the evening because people usually get out of work in the afternoons and can attend the evening masses." That's exactly the point, Diana.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-30821797428820069522015-07-05T22:30:52.754+10:002015-07-05T22:30:52.754+10:00Dear Anonymous at 9:36 pm,
Look at the schedule ...Dear Anonymous at 9:36 pm, <br /><br />Look at the schedule again. The weekday Masses are all in the evenings. The weekday Masses are in the evenings because people usually get out of work in the afternoons and can attend the evening Masses. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-38228870322370297432015-07-05T21:36:16.771+10:002015-07-05T21:36:16.771+10:00That is not the point Diana. They should make Mas...That is not the point Diana. They should make Mass available to the people. Right now, only morning mass is available during the weekdays. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-68922746943689391382015-07-05T19:10:44.589+10:002015-07-05T19:10:44.589+10:00Dear Anonymous at 2:20 pm,
Has Church attendance...Dear Anonymous at 2:20 pm, <br /><br />Has Church attendance in Santa Rita during the daily Mass increased so much that you feel there should be two Masses each day rather than one?Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-85090037280368641372015-07-05T14:20:42.680+10:002015-07-05T14:20:42.680+10:00Now there are two priests there though. You'd...Now there are two priests there though. You'd think they'd increase the number of Masses and the priests become more available. It's become more business-like. Parishioners have commented how different the vibe is, not like how it used to be. It's become a cold environment, not very welcoming.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-31446851725587990312015-07-05T10:45:44.086+10:002015-07-05T10:45:44.086+10:00Dear Anonymous at 10:10 am,
My point was to show...Dear Anonymous at 10:10 am, <br /><br />My point was to show that when Father Jack was the pastor, people still celebrated one weekday Masses each day.Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-48460543737621967172015-07-05T10:10:13.322+10:002015-07-05T10:10:13.322+10:00again your link is out-of-date
OUR LADY OF GUADAL...again your link is out-of-date<br /><br />OUR LADY OF GUADALUPE, SANTA RITA<br />P.O. Box 7355 Agat, GU 96928<br />Tel: 565-2160 Fax: 565-7078<br /><br />Pastor: Rev. Fabio Faiola<br /><br />Office Hours: Mon, Tues, Wed & Fri. 8:00 am – 5:00pm,<br />Thurs 8:00am – 1:00pm & closed 12:00 – 1:00 pm<br /><br />Weekday Mass: Mon to Wed & Fri 6:30pm, Sat 7:00am, <br /><br />1st Sat of the month 8:00am. <br /><br />Sunday Mass: Sat vigil 6:30pm, Sun 6:00am, 8:00am & 10:00am. <br /><br />Confessions 30 minutes before Mass or by appointment.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-23774183102556046572015-07-05T10:01:44.307+10:002015-07-05T10:01:44.307+10:00Dear Anonymous at 8:54 am,
You say that the week...Dear Anonymous at 8:54 am, <br /><br />You say that the weekday Mass in Santa Rita were cut from two to one? Below is the scheduled weekday Mass under Father Jack Niland. The weekday Mass in Santa Rita had always been one Mass even under a Capuchin priest. <br /><br />Our Lady of Guadalupe-Santa Rita<br /> Pastor: Rev.Jack Niland, OFM Capuchin<br /> Telephone 565-2160<br /> Daily Masses: Mon., Tues., Wed., Fri.: 6:30 p.m.; Thurs. & Sat.: 6 a.m.<br /> Sunday Masses: 6 a.m., 8 a.m. and 10 a.m.(6:30 p.m. Saturday)<br /><br />http://www.guam.net/pub/archdiocese/Parishes.htmlDianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-61708463493227015462015-07-05T08:54:28.220+10:002015-07-05T08:54:28.220+10:00Yes, judged on its fruits .... so many fruits that...Yes, judged on its fruits .... so many fruits that they can't even cover for Masses so they end up being cancelled. In Santa Rita, they have two priests, yet the weekday mass has been cut from two to one. Fruits?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-54379711799270135832015-07-04T22:47:49.331+10:002015-07-04T22:47:49.331+10:00Dear Anonymous at 9:58 pm,
A damaged statue shou...Dear Anonymous at 9:58 pm, <br /><br />A damaged statue should not be in the Catholic Church. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-63223435820458184762015-07-04T21:58:07.198+10:002015-07-04T21:58:07.198+10:00Well if you agree Diana, then there should be noth...Well if you agree Diana, then there should be nothing wrong with putting the "damaged" statue of Santa Guadalupe back to her original spot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-17560222174642948332015-07-04T12:58:48.492+10:002015-07-04T12:58:48.492+10:00Dear Anonymous at 12:32 pm,
I have given my resp...Dear Anonymous at 12:32 pm, <br /><br />I have given my response. It is the ones making up the stories who ADORES that statue more than The truth. There are some people in Santa Rita who know the truth and understood that a damaged statue should not be in the church. <br /><br />Look at my response in my entry post. It was made to the commenter who made this statement on his list of how the Archbishop violated human rights. He stated: "removing Santa Guadelupe statue and saying that she can be placed in the rectory." Nowhere was his comment ever made that the statue was damaged by vandalism. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-89983788390935261152015-07-04T12:34:24.283+10:002015-07-04T12:34:24.283+10:00Dear Anonymous at 11:07 am,
Well stated. I agre...Dear Anonymous at 11:07 am, <br /><br />Well stated. I agree with what you said. Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13613247477141929635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-91773086598895725612015-07-04T12:32:52.306+10:002015-07-04T12:32:52.306+10:00Diana 7/2 @ 7:45 PM, this is Anonymous at 1:44 pm ...<b>Diana 7/2 @ 7:45 PM</b>, this is <i>Anonymous at 1:44 pm</i> asking you to clarify:<br /><br /><b><i>Are you accusing the parishioners of Our Lady of Guadalupe Church of WORSHIPPING that statue?</i></b> <br /><br />I read the response you directed to my inquiry. You stated:<br /><br />* "<i>It is the ones who have been protesting too much over the statute to the point where they are falsely accusing the NCW of getting rid of the Santa Guadalupe Statue.</i>" (This was not a response to my question)<br />* "<i>The Church in Santa Rita was vandalized in 2010. Vandals broke into the Church and vandalized it. They threw the statute of Santa Guadalupe on the grown, causing much damage to it.</i>" (This provided background info but did not answer my question.)<br />* "<i>Her crown and halo were badly damaged, and the statue was put aside</i>." (You even provided the link to a shortened version of the article. I was not willing to pay to read the archived article BUT this was still not a response to my question.)<br /><br />You also admitted that you don't know if it efforts were made to repair the statue: "<i>Whether it was sent for repairs....who knows?</i>" (Still not a response)<br /><br />You then guessed that no repairs were made: "<i>Apparently, it is not put back because there were no repairs done on it......that is if repairs are even possible.</i>" (Again, not a response)<br /><br />You also stated "<i>But the NCW did not purposely remove the statute. The statue was removed because the statue was badly damaged through vandalism.</i>" (Not a response)<br /><br />You concluded your response with the following "<i>Me thinks one doth protest too much over a statue to the point of inventing stories. It appears that those who protest too much idolized a statue more than the truth.</i>" (You used the word "idolized" but it still did not answer my original question)<br /><br />With all those words, you did not answer my question which I am asking again as one Catholic to another: <b><i>Are you accusing the parishioners of Our Lady of Guadalupe Church of WORSHIPPING the statue of Santa Guadalupe?</i></b> <br /><br />My question can be answered with:<br />"<b>YES</b>, in my opinion the parishioners in Santa Rita WORSHIP their Santa Guadalupe statue."<br />OR<br />"<b>NO</b>, even though I wrote "<i>I said WORHIPPING the statues is wrong.</i>" I don't think the parishioners in Santa Rita WORSHIP their Santa Guadalupe statue."<br />OR <br />"<b>MAYBE</b>, as I wrote "<i>I said WORHIPPING the statues is wrong.</i>" and it seemed to me that the parishioners in Santa Rita WORSHIP their Santa Guadalupe statue."<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-66654679084032936842015-07-04T11:07:45.046+10:002015-07-04T11:07:45.046+10:00The issue of damaged statues should be addressed i...The issue of damaged statues should be addressed in its proper context.<br /><br />The utmost beauty of a Church are "damaged" people seeking communion with Jesus Christ. And if we in true communion with the Church somehow moved by the Spirit of Jesus Christ; we should bring other damaged people with us so they also can find communion.<br /><br />Damaged statues exist perhaps as a reminder that Jesus does not come to repair things without a heart.<br /><br />Catholics use statues, paintings, and other artistic devices to recall the person or thing depicted. Just as it helps to remember one’s mother by looking at her photograph, so it helps to recall the example of the saints by looking at pictures of them. Catholics also use statues as teaching tools. In the early Church they were especially useful for the instruction of the illiterate. Many Protestants have pictures of Jesus and other Bible pictures in Sunday school for teaching children. Catholics also use statues to commemorate certain people and events, much as Protestant churches have three-dimensional nativity scenes at Christmas....via web.<br /><br />So what is more important; our damaged hearts or our damaged statues?<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8205973525389434155.post-76161403249100063592015-07-04T10:33:54.707+10:002015-07-04T10:33:54.707+10:00A Capuchin priest asserted that this ecclesial rea...A Capuchin priest asserted that this ecclesial reality may be good for Europe but rather ambiguous for Micronesia. <br /><br />Well, the facts prove otherwise. The Neo-catechumenal Way has now a proven record of nearly two decades of fruitful insertion in the Micronesia culture, ranging from such diverse realities as Guam and Kiribati. <br /><br />Also in Micronesia, we have witnessed what one author said in the North Star, “There is little doubt that the Neo-catechumenate has addressed many important needs and undertaken tremendously good work… many sincere conversions…worked with the youth… turned around lives otherwise burdened by drug and alcohol abuse and brought energy and enthusiasm in areas needing evangelization…”<br /><br /> Is not the tree judged on its fruits?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com